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GN[US Open Round 2 - 2008 US Go Congress - Eric Lui (8d) vs Ming Jiu Jiang (7p)]PW[Eric Lui]PB[Ming Jiu Jiang ]WR[8d]BR[7p]DT[2008-08-04]EV[US Open]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Todd Heidenreich]C[fatlip [1d?\]: tell them we are ready . . 
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: dude mingiu is reading out all the variations ^^
fatlip [1d?\]: shit.
KGSPlus [-\]: watch the language please
fatlip [1d?\]: sorry
kehan [1k\]: game wont start for 30 more minutes?
MrShintou [-\]: if only there was video..
Arkavon [11k\]: Are either of these on KGS?
elahrairah [3k\]: eric lui is the pianist
Sweetmango: And TheOne, I think...
Arkavon [11k\]: Ah yes, I thought I recognised the name...
Enraiha [8k\]: lol and ming jiu is himself on kgs :)
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;B[pd]C[Ukasuhs [2k?\]: hes  not on now
kuikentje [5k\]: duh
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;W[dp]C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to Round 2 of the US Open!
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;B[qp]C[Ciovo [5k?\]: thank you :)
barty [1d\]: hehe
barty [1d\]: US Open
barty [1d\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: We’re broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon
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;W[cn]C[Domsablos [10k\]: broadcasting?
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;B[kq]C[Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: yes, broadcasting
Domsablos [10k\]: is there a video feed?
USGO1 [-\]: The top boards for round 2 of the US Open are starting! Look for USGO 1-5 at the top of the active games tab or in the EGR!  For more information please visit  http://usgo.org/congress/2008/
hollywood [3k\]: no live transmition?
MrShintou [-\]: black plays chinese in both USGO1 & USGO2
USGO1 [-\]: The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: why is white thinking.. he will play r10 anyway in the end
kuikentje [5k\]: haha :p
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;W[qj]C[Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: it's more eric lui's style than o17 
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;B[qg]C[kuikentje [5k\]: ^_^
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: is thinking only an act to tell people that he's taking this seriously?
USGO1 [-\]: Time limits are 2 hours basic time, 5 periods of 30 seconds byo yomi.
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: why is he thinking again?
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;W[qm]C[hollywood [3k\]: 7p vs 8d?
jankenpopp: zureiyaaa, calm down..
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: eh?
Tsuijin [1d\]: ming jiu must scare him
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: what are you talking about, jankenpopp
jankenpopp: you are going crazy
jklwild [5k\]: lol
MrShintou [-\]: zureiyaaa there are other moves.
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: no i'm not
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: i know the other moves
jankenpopp: you seem hypered :)
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;B[pk]C[Tsuijin [1d\]: typical opening so far
player3 [2k\]: they have 2 hours, no need to hurry
kuikentje [5k\]: true
USGO1 [-\]: Our broadcasting team today: Game Recorders: Todd Heidenreich (Board 1); Dennis Wheeler (Bd 2); Richard Dolen (Bd 3); Tom Hodges (Bd 4); Casey Alexander (Bd 5); Matthew Heymering (KGS admin); Steve Colburn (IT/back-up); Chris Garlock, Managing Editor
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;B[qk]C[Tsuijin [1d\]: mmm
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;W[op]C[Tsuijin [1d\]: cool
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;W[qq]C[BonoVox [3k\]: could samebody could explain me what is the meaning of the numbers near the players name in this scheme http://usgo.org/congress/2008/pairs-r2.html
BonoVox [3k\]: please
jankenpopp: their aga id number
jankenpopp: i believr
jankenpopp: believe*
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu Jiang is a Chinese 7-dan professional. He’s the brother of Zhujiu “Jujo” Jiang and the author of Punishing and Correcting Joseki Mistakes, and, with Guo Juan, of All about Joseki as well as co-editor, with his brother, of "Weiqi Technique Encyclopedia." He’s the winner of the Western Section of the 2004, 2006, and 2008 North American Toyota Denso Oza Championships.
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;W[or]C[addict40 [6k\]: eric lui is pianist
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;B[qs]C[Tsuijin [1d\]: is this a normal opening?
Arkavon [11k\]: All the best people are pianists ;)
MrShintou [-\]: n4 
Yamantaka [2d\]: it's not particularly bizarre
Ulath [5k\]: I read somewhere that after d4 - r4, W natural continuation is around p3-p4 to approach corner and also extend d4 from afar. things have changed since this book probably ^^
USGO1 [-\]: The weeklong annual U.S. Go Congress is the biggest event on the North American calendar and features a number of tournaments – including the U.S. Open and North American Ing Masters (NAIM) – as well as lectures and simuls with more than a dozen professionals from the United States, Japan, China and Korea.
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;B[no]C[USGO1 [-\]: Click here  http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/pairs-r2.html for the Round 2 pairings and here http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42 for the results -- and game records – from the top boards. Photos of the top players in the Open and NAIM are also posted online http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/openplayers.html Click here http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/staff.html to see the E-Journal Congress Team 
Tsuijin [1d\]: white's result looks nice
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;W[np]C[Cassis0 [3d\]: d2
Shana [3d\]: i wud play h4...
MrShintou [-\]: j3 is safer
barty [1d\]: better
Shana [3d\]: scared of strong people cutting me xD
MrShintou [-\]: if you wanna play that way
addict40 [6k\]: who is eric lui
addict40 [6k\]: ???
Sukide [4k\]: pianist they said
jankenpopp: wonder how many times that's going to be asked..
kuikentje [5k\]: Eric Lui is Eric Lui
addict40 [6k\]: iyes
addict40 [6k\]: but
kuikentje [5k\]: sometimes he plays as pianist on KGS, apparently
addict40 [6k\]: is he american?
Shana [3d\]: i thought hes TheOne
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: he's both of them, I think...
MrShintou [-\]: o9 is interesting it hink
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: j4 
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;B[hp]C[goforblow [15k\]: hey hey
Shana [3d\]: haha
Shana [3d\]: and u said it was bad :p
jankenpopp: how do you make ue of r10?
jankenpopp: use*
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: you play q10
Tsuijin [1d\]: gogogo prediction
Cassis0 [3d\]: how can h4 be bad
MrShintou [-\]: this hands eyeshape to white i thought.
Shana [3d\]: eyeshape?
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;B[fr]C[Tsuijin [1d\]: white gets sente whoot
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: eh?
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: what then?
Tsuijin [1d\]: then he uses sente =)
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: nevermind...
jankenpopp: k17 next?
RedFangs: k16 
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: n8!! ;O
presque [5k\]:  n16 
Paradize [2k\]: L4
goforblow [15k\]: kinda a slow match
kuikentje [5k\]: heh
kuikentje [5k\]: they have 2 hours on their clock
RedFangs: 120h
jankenpopp: it's for quite a bit of money
jankenpopp: so of course..
kuikentje [5k\]: I would play slow too ^_^
RedFangs: 120 min = 2 h
Paradize [2k\]: B M5 looks very boring for white
RedFangs: sorry
jankenpopp: although i'd say they are playing fast..
goforblow [15k\]: yea but this early into the match u have to think that much
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;W[ce]C[Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: how much it is, jankenpopp?
morph [4k\]: yes !
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: k17
jankenpopp: let me look up link..
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: or k16
goforblow [15k\]: c10
RedFangs: eric lui = the1?
Shana [3d\]: c10 tiny tho...
jankenpopp: i know the NAIM is 10000$..
addict40 [6k\]: yes i think
Shana [3d\]: j17 xD
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;B[ic]C[Shana [3d\]: yay me
addict40 [6k\]: i love pianist
Arkavon [11k\]: That's because all the best people are pianists ;)
RedFangs: p18 
morph [4k\]: is w is pianist, he's playing so much more solid here than his usual kgs game
kuikentje [5k\]: I love Ming Jiu, his game yesterday was sheer beauty
goforblow [15k\]: damn alot of ppl here
RedFangs: P18
Arkavon [11k\]: He doesn't have 2 hours in a usual KGS game
Shana [3d\]: morph u dont see many 7ps playing on kgs do u?
goforblow [15k\]: ive never ceen one
morph [4k\]: yes of course ^^
RedFangs: P18
goforblow [15k\]: the first p rank ive ceen
morph [4k\]: but still he could have enclosed the top right with D15 to play more on influence
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;W[kc]C[Arkavon [11k\]: I think as far as we DDKs are concerned, 5d moves are about as understandable as pro moves anyway ;)
kuikentje [5k\]: hehe :p
Groningen [10k\]: f17 
Shana [3d\]: hehe w funny
Shana [3d\]: want b to make crappy shape...
presque [5k\]: j15 seems natural
goforblow [15k\]: ide play around k4 if  i was white make him close it or ide fill it
addict40 [6k\]: pfffffff
RedFangs: Arkavon, just look at the flow of the game
RedFangs: it helps a lot
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: k4 is a very bad move..
Shana [3d\]: goforblow thats called aji keshi
Paradize [2k\]: p17
jankenpopp: i think open is 1000.. but am having a hard time finding the info again..
goforblow [15k\]: thats wht there playing for is a 1000 dollars
addict40 [6k\]: i want to now more about eric lui
goforblow [15k\]: i want to play a game
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;B[fc]C[Dominas25 [9k?\]: look him up
Groningen [10k\]: o17 
addict40 [6k\]: his style of play is facinating
Shana [3d\]: g16?
theremin [1k\]: yes groningen
goforblow [15k\]: e16
takayanagi [4d\]: :)
Euphorie [-\]: e16 very very slow
Groningen [10k\]: o17 p17 o16 ?
Shana [3d\]: thats no good xD
RedFangs: q18 
RedFangs: Q18
jankenpopp: p16 muaha
Euphorie [-\]: P18 maybe is possible
Arkavon [11k\]: K10 is looking huge... :P
janibi [1d\]: the link for the results?
jankenpopp: although i think p16 would ruin too much aji in corner and side.. so no good, but would like to see it played
Gay [4d\]: how old is eric
Sanjurou [3d\]: 19
Shana [3d\]: 11
vaxou [9k\]: an amateur 8d aigainst a pro 7p ?
RedFangs: 21
G0g0l [1d\]: in first 50 move k10 always look huge but is nit
theremin [1k\]: groningen, this would be common sequence
goforblow [15k\]: damn u all make me feel mad obliviouse to the genral playing of go
Gay [4d\]: how can he be 19 11 and 21 years old -.-
theremin [1k\]: and peaceful
USGO1 [-\]: Eric had stepped away from the board before Ming Jiu's last move.  Now both are away from the board.
Arkavon [11k\]: Where have they gone?
czy1985 [6k\]: ....
Shana [3d\]: haha
czy1985 [6k\]: toilet?
theremin [1k\]: get a bigmac :)
goforblow [15k\]: lol
janibi [1d\]: usgo were are the results from the last games? (link)
addict40 [6k\]: there is a 8p
Euphorie [-\]: tourist go club
RedFangs: consulting Joseki Dictionary!
Arkavon [11k\]: K10 is always huge, so long as there is not already a stone on it ;)
czy1985 [6k\]: maybe go take a nap, get a burger?
Shana [3d\]: k10 always smallest move on the board
majid [1d\]: yeah whos that 8p kim guy?
Euphorie [-\]: t1 is smaller
USGO1 [-\]: Eric has returned while Ming Jiu is looking at the other games in the room.
kuikentje [5k\]: haha :p
RedFangs: "excuse me i've to go to bathroom" *hides the joseki dictionary in the pants*
kuikentje [5k\]: looking at other games?
kuikentje [5k\]: ^^
jankenpopp: joseki dictionary not really illegal
Euphorie [-\]: actually 7p are the ones who create joseki :)
Arkavon [11k\]: I'd feel intimidated in a tournament if the players from the top board stopped their game to watch mine...
takayanagi [4d\]: they wont
suzuchan [1d\]: 7p copy from 9p
jankenpopp: lol
Shana [3d\]: funny if eric went to bathroom and read some joseki book "by: MingJiu Jiang"
theremin [1k\]: haha
Euphorie [-\]: "joseki mistakes by Mingjiu Jiang" ;)
theremin [1k\]: how to punish :)
jankenpopp: if he comes out laughing then that's proably what happened 
Euphorie [-\]: (it exists)
goforblow [15k\]: this is guna suck trying to find a match to play when these pros are playing cause everyone ism watching
takayanagi [4d\]: joseki doesnt mean much at this level
USGO1 [-\]: Ming Jiu has returned and is awaiting Eric's move.
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: then u shud watch and try to learn from it
RedFangs: p18 or q18 
Arkavon [11k\]: Did you say eric has also returned?
RedFangs: o17 is dumb
theremin [1k\]: O17 is common move
Shana [3d\]: not really dumb...
Cassis0 [3d\]: o17 p17 o16 o18 n18 p18 
Shana [3d\]: since r17 would still be open
jankenpopp: o17 just hurts...
RedFangs: o17 p17 o16 seems dumb, but im dumb
nodan [-\]: w wants r17
theremin [1k\]: O17 is certainly not bad, it follows fundamentals
Cassis0 [3d\]: maybe w fear this sequence
takayanagi [4d\]: guess who will look dumb after w plays it
Shana [3d\]: not me xD
presque [5k\]: lol
jankenpopp: takayanagi he wont play it
Shana [3d\]: i said its not dumb
nodan [-\]: so he has to get sente with l17 ...
RedFangs: i said im already dumb
USGO1 [-\]: Yes, both players are here and thinking intently, of course.
presque [5k\]: l15 still
goforblow [15k\]: whts sente mean?
PeteLibo [13k?\]: 017 is a good balance imo
jankenpopp: l15 worse than o17 for sure
pedros [8k\]: sente means initiative
Shana [3d\]: sente=asian currency
majid [1d\]: q18 better than o17
barakeel [1k\]: sente = health
pedros [8k\]: when u keep initiative opposote gote when u lose initiative
RedFangs: p18 or q18 never o17, thats why w will play o17
jankenpopp: lol
Groningen [10k\]: q18 is bad because the 2 stones will be seperated
Gay [4d\]: i wonder if they are having fun ^^
Shana [3d\]: p18 or q18 never t19, thats why w will play t19
jankenpopp: groningen, it's not really seperated
jankenpopp: l17 too far away
presque [5k\]: I would o17 anyway ... but who care's of a kgs 5k opinion ...
Shana [3d\]: i surely dont
presque [5k\]: hehe
takayanagi [4d\]: lol
presque [5k\]: q11 ?
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;W[pc]C[presque [5k\]: wow !
theremin [1k\]: ohoh
jankenpopp: same idea as q18
czy1985 [6k\]: interesting
Shana [3d\]: hehe
Euphorie [-\]: Feel the sainess in you
RedFangs: who looks dumb?
Groningen [10k\]: p17 looks like the only move
Gay [4d\]: not same idea as q18 lol
Laki91 [5d\]: in a game against lee sedol, b plays q6 first, then r9
Laki91 [5d\]: 9p
presque [5k\]: I bet on tenuki
Euphorie [-\]: no way
RedFangs: chances of tenuki are 0.0%
czy1985 [6k\]: tenuki? and give a corner?
Gay [4d\]: cant tenuki
Shana [3d\]: i bet on... p17?
theremin [1k\]: tennuki after tsuke would be surprising
jankenpopp: o17 haha
RedFangs: watch the ladder
hollywood [3k\]: p17
Jump [6k\]: r17 then p16
czy1985 [6k\]: wonder if black would want to seal white or get corner..
presque [5k\]: I bet what I want !
barakeel [1k\]: i bet r18
RedFangs: r17
presque [5k\]: how much money do they play for ?
Shana [3d\]: i bet none of the above
RedFangs: you mean
Gay [4d\]: i bet o2
jankenpopp: black probably just play r16
Euphorie [-\]: O2 ? xD
RedFangs: r17
Paradize [2k\]: R16 ?
Paradize [2k\]: bit defending
presque [5k\]: gote
barakeel [1k\]: r16 is bad isnt it?
goofer [3k\]: r16 is cowardly
Ulath [5k\]: r16 too easy for W no ? r16 then W r17
czy1985 [6k\]: r16 abit too defensive?
czy1985 [6k\]: still earli
jankenpopp: lol wow
Snaga [1d?\]: p17 ^^
Ulath [5k\]: I like p17 too :)
Euphorie [-\]: I prefer R17
jankenpopp: r16, r17, p17..
jankenpopp: bad reading = win 
czy1985 [6k\]: i think p17 would give a nice show lol
Shana [3d\]: i bet mingjiu is reading his own book now
Euphorie [-\]: Q17 is not a joseki mistake
shiquasa [7k\]: or writing a new one...
presque [5k\]: p16 ?
HFL [8d\]: who is eric lui?
presque [5k\]: soo bad
Shana [3d\]: never said it was
Euphorie [-\]: eric lui is pianist
Euphorie [-\]: and probably theone
Gay [4d\]: he is 3 different people
Shana [3d\]: eric lui=TheOne=?= Pianist
czy1985 [6k\]: nowadays people like to stick to the seeds straight, some kind of fashion or something
nodan [-\]: w wants r17 p17 r18 p16 q15 l15 
Gay [4d\]: 11, 19 and 21 years old
gorka [2d\]: is it the final ??
Euphorie [-\]: it's the 2nd round
gorka [2d\]: ok thanks
theremin [1k\]: eric lui is pianist
czy1985 [6k\]: last round all the higher rank won i think
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;B[qc]C[Ukasuhs [2k?\]: as should be expected
Shana [3d\]: aww
presque [5k\]: crosscut ?
Shana [3d\]: mingjiu rather take territory than just straight out fight... shameful
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;W[oc]C[RedFangs: p17 simple
Shana [3d\]: crosscut=only when ur opponent is kyu
presque [5k\]: lol
Euphorie [-\]: mingjiu likes to know where he goes
Groningen [10k\]: q10 ?
gorka [2d\]: shana sometimes crosscut is the good move
Euphorie [-\]: R18 only move
Tsuijin [1d\]: go r16!
Sweetmango: Um, R16 is okay too
Euphorie [-\]: and is Q15 possible after for white?
Shana [3d\]: gorka i meant in this situation
presque [5k\]: so now any move at top right is gote for b, isn't?
gorka [2d\]: oh ok ^^
Euphorie [-\]: yes R16 too
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: don't think he is going to play r18 
RedFangs: r18
Ulath [5k\]: e15 ? :)
Shana [3d\]: r18 pretty... obvious
Shana [3d\]: its enormous 
Tsuijin [1d\]: r18 feels like trap
czy1985 [6k\]: but pretty nice also..
Bierce [1d\]: r16
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;B[od]C[gorka [2d\]: lol
Shana [3d\]: meh
nasnad [1d?\]: haha
Euphorie [-\]: new trend? :p
presque [5k\]: r18 now no ?
nasnad [1d?\]: if r18 now l17 gets cut
kuikentje [5k\]: no, white can't ignore that last move
gorka [2d\]: can't l18 now
gorka [2d\]: r18 I meant
Shana [3d\]: w has to defend first
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: that is why I didn't think about r18
kuikentje [5k\]: can't play r18 right now
Euphorie [-\]: he can exchange a bigger corner for L17
Shana [3d\]: o17 probably... but ive been wrong for a while so meh
Aronvitki [12k\]: w might want to escape to the center with L5.
nasnad [1d?\]: i would not dare o16
presque [5k\]: he'll play simply o17 ..
gorka [2d\]: me neither nasnad :p
Aronvitki [12k\]: L15, that is...
kuikentje [5k\]: I have no idea whether the hane is sensible here ...
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;W[nc]C[presque [5k\]: haha !
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;B[qb]C[Groningen [10k\]: new joseki
presque [5k\]: n15 
jankenpopp: ...
McFly [1d\]: hey guys: better kyus and low dans shut up and only read comments of players who understand anything ;)
Snaga [1d?\]: it would be quiet
presque [5k\]: you shut up please
Shana [3d\]: lol mcfly u shouldnt be talking
jankenpopp: mcfly, that's part of the problem, no one else says anything..
Paradize [2k\]:  p10 ?
McFly [1d\]: thats what i wanted to say Shana ;)
Aronvitki [12k\]: No, K16 would both reduce b and allow center influence.
Shana [3d\]: if u wanna learn from reading go get a book, we wanna learn from experience
shinkirou [1k\]: ya i say kibitz it up
Gay [4d\]: should be that only 4d and up can comment
Shana [3d\]: no 5d+ only
shinkirou [1k\]: haha gay how convenient
ralphunden [6k\]: gay: wonderously you are just 4d :)
presque [5k\]: no no ! 5k + !!
kuikentje [5k\]: no way, you guys discovered the joke
Shana [3d\]: no no ! moderated chat mode
McFly [1d\]: or 5k -? ;)
Shana [3d\]: xD
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: 2k? +
kuikentje [5k\]: ^_^
ToughNerd [12k\]: The purpose of the comment box is so everyone can converse
Robinsa [5k\]: this looks terrible for w?
Shana [3d\]: not really
Robinsa [5k\]: huge right side
jankenpopp: l15 now?
Shana [3d\]: w got sente to harass the top b group at the cost of territory but made himself stronger
czy1985 [6k\]: erm r 10 seed aint fake
Robinsa [5k\]: and black left is still ok?
Shana [3d\]: if that made any sense
shinkirou [1k\]: o4 group doesn't make sense to me :(
Paradize [2k\]: W will attack R9 i think
Aronvitki [12k\]: Sometimes us lower kyus have some nuggets of genius now and again...
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: black could make f17 j17 stronger
presque [5k\]: and I guess if you don't want to read bullshits just move you windows to the right of your screen
nasnad [1d?\]: one more move or tenuki?
Gay [4d\]: tenuki
jankenpopp: l15 seems worthwhile
Shana [3d\]: i guess if u dont want to hear cursing, censor presque
Groningen [10k\]: k15 
ralphunden [6k\]: why not just extend on the right side?
kuikentje [5k\]: where would you add another move nasnad?
SSStylish [5d?\]: Attack style tenuki :)))
shinkirou [1k\]: d10 looks pretty big
Shana [3d\]: coming from a guy called stylish... must be true
Robinsa [5k\]: k16  or k15  I think
nasnad [1d?\]: i dont know where to play another
jankenpopp: what is k16?
nasnad [1d?\]: so i would tenuki
Paradize [2k\]: Black formation should afraid W of playing territorial move
Aronvitki [12k\]: I agree, Robinsa.
Hagios [4k\]: Are time rules different this round, vs Round 1?
shinkirou [1k\]: b right side is too big w has to find a really good move here
Robinsa [5k\]: don't, I'm proboably wrong ;)
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;W[ee]C[Gay [4d\]: F15!
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: ya
Gay [4d\]: :(
czy1985 [6k\]: lol
shinkirou [1k\]: close
czy1985 [6k\]: time to atk?
Tsuijin [1d\]: 5d+ comments now!
Tsuijin [1d\]: gay failed us!
MSUgo [?\]: this is probably a dumb question but what does "p" stand for in the 7p for Ming Jiu?
shinkirou [1k\]: professional
Nyrckes [1k\]: 7dan pro
Hagios [4k\]: Professional dan
Gay [4d\]: y but i got the idea
Shana [3d\]: po0rky
Groningen [10k\]: e15 wants to take the whole left ?
joelw [12k\]: pinnochel
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;B[nd]C[Cloudwall [-\]: is there a link where we can see the results from the first round?
jankenpopp: ouch
jankenpopp: this is going to hurt
shinkirou [1k\]: well b group is weak too
presque [5k\]: n16 
yoyoma [1d\]: http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/crosstab.html
czy1985 [6k\]: seems like white playing his own and b playing his own too..
Hagios [4k\]: Cloudwall, I believe the results are up on the AGA website.
Cloudwall [-\]: thanks
shinkirou [1k\]: but anyway b right is way too big now
Nyrckes [1k\]: l15
USGO1 [-\]: Click here  http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/pairs-r2.html for the Round 2 pairings and here http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42 for the results -- and game records – from the top boards. Photos of the top players in the Open and NAIM are also posted online http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/openplayers.html Click here http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/staff.html to see the E-Journal Congress Team 
Astral [3k\]: have those players a kgs a well-know kgs account?
Paradize [2k\]: is W able to tenuki
Robinsa [5k\]: Eric has
nasnad [1d?\]: tenuki looks bad
Robinsa [5k\]: the one right?
Nyrckes [1k\]: i think white will play l15
joelw [12k\]: prob not gonna tenuki this one
XenoQ [5k\]: Eric = Pianist, Ming Jiu = MingJiu
Shana [3d\]: i wanna see mingjiu vs jujo in rengo game with both partners as 30ks
Astral [3k\]: ok thx
kuikentje [5k\]: haha :p
Robinsa [5k\]: ok, who is theone ?
Robinsa [5k\]: I thought that was Eric
Shana [3d\]: eric
czy1985 [6k\]: most  prob both will be saying wtf after every move they move
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: pros with 30ks in rengo is basically just luck lol
KGSPlus [-\]: please watch the language... even abreviations
kuikentje [5k\]: all 4 of them will be surprised with every move, probably
pogomo [?\]: what is rengo?
itsnaptime [8k\]: 2v2
christopff [2d\]: what the luck
Robinsa [5k\]: ^^
christopff [2d\]: wtf
jjyyrtu: difficukt for w
Groningen [10k\]: cough
czy1985 [6k\]: oki oki i watch my language... its just a expression..
Groningen [10k\]: no it is not
Shana [3d\]: wtr xD
christopff [2d\]: someone throgh me out
Shana [3d\]: duh
Nyrckes [1k\]: i wonder why
shinkirou [1k\]: lol
tingo [5k\]: sorry - is this live broadcast - was patiently waiting for high comment??
Shana [3d\]: are both players still thinking?
Snaga [1d?\]: it is live
tingo [5k\]: thanks
joelw [12k\]:  /windowthrowout christopff
Groningen [10k\]: well, almost live
Nyrckes [1k\]: they have 120min main time so layers will use it :)
USGO1 [-\]: Yes, both players are thinking about the current position.
Nyrckes [1k\]: *players
tingo [5k\]: see high dan player games is good
tingo [5k\]: but the waiting is so bored!!!!
Shana [3d\]: i think mingjiu is underestimating eric but he can probably win anyways
shinkirou [1k\]: kinda sucks to have left d2 open ....
joelw [12k\]: if w plays r16, he gets the kgs fight club award
Advanced [1k\]: r10 aji ^_^
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: c3 > d2
shinkirou [1k\]: yes yes same idea
pastachees [3k\]: w will not play r16
presque [5k\]: for sure
TanGeng [1k?\]: just on a  quick glance, black is superior
shinkirou [1k\]: b is indirectly killing r10 aji
Shana [3d\]: did u glance at the board or at their ranks
Advanced [1k\]: how so?
shinkirou [1k\]: by creating a wall 
Hagios [4k\]: r16 r15 s16 s15 s17 s18 w dead, joelw.  Good fighting spirit, though :)
joelw [12k\]: b sending bone chilling glares at it during free time
shinkirou [1k\]: or well we can call it almost territory now
Advanced [1k\]: if white gets d10 or so.... - phew
Paddlefoot [1d\]: wK15
Paddlefoot [1d\]: or L15
Advanced [1k\]: w needs another move on top though
Shana [3d\]: k15 would only make things worse
shinkirou [1k\]: something around d10 big for both but urgent comes first
Dumed [13k\]: yeah
Paddlefoot [1d\]: hane seems inefficient
Advanced [1k\]: double hane..
Advanced [1k\]: if white doesnt play one more
Paddlefoot [1d\]: doesn't work
shinkirou [1k\]: doesn't cut
shinkirou [1k\]: but punishing still
Paddlefoot [1d\]: double hane is aweful
Advanced [1k\]: how doesnt it work?
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;W[ie]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: cut at N15 and descent
azndemon [12k\]: is n16 the only option?
nasnad [1d?\]: hane doesnt lead to good shape
Paddlefoot [1d\]: ok
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I was close
nouziller [2k\]: good move
Shana [3d\]: defend the cut by attacking
rydberg [2d\]: now this is spirit
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I said K15 or L15
Advanced [1k\]: reverse pressure :P
Shana [3d\]: paddle u were off
Shana [3d\]: xD
Paradize [2k\]: tenuki
joelw [12k\]: b going to move into left now?
Shana [3d\]: its neither
shinkirou [1k\]: you can only kibitz one move man
nasnad [1d?\]: haha, tenuki now would be funny
Shana [3d\]: but they were both wrong O.o
kuikentje [5k\]: black can't tenuki right now =/
Paddlefoot [1d\]: fine Shana
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I was wrong
shinkirou [1k\]: it's like i call next move on uppler left quadrant :)
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I admit it
joelw [12k\]: why can't b tenuki?
Shana [3d\]: so?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: k16 wm15
XenoQ [5k\]: Paddlefoot still better than Shana who does not comment a move
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;B[jd]C[Shana [3d\]: lol
lesid [7k\]: what is the rank difference between 7 p and 8d
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I got that one
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;W[md]C[Shana [3d\]: k16 was pretty much the only move tho
Paddlefoot [1d\]: 6d =1p
Paddlefoot [1d\]: roughly
Groningen [10k\]: l16 
Shana [3d\]: 7d
lesid [7k\]: ok thx
Snaga [1d?\]: 9d=1p
pogomo [?\]: lol if i thought k 16 then am i also like a 3d
Paddlefoot [1d\]: but each professional dan is only 1/3 stone
pogomo [?\]: ?
takayanagi [4d\]: 1p>>>>>>>>>>6d
Paddlefoot [1d\]: each amateur dan is 1 stone
kago [1d\]: d!=p
lesid [7k\]: then i think b should win easily?
Dumed [13k\]: yeah
joelw [12k\]: 1p in time saves 9
shinkirou [1k\]: i'll go with strong kgs 9d=9p 
shinkirou [1k\]: err 1p
shinkirou [1k\]: haha
Paddlefoot [1d\]: so theoreticaly 9p=9d
Dumed [13k\]: seems unfair for the pro player to have black
Paddlefoot [1d\]: well
lesid [7k\]: yes^^
Advanced [1k\]: doubt it, pros are so much stronger than amateurs
kuikentje [5k\]: well, it's an even game
Hagios [4k\]: Dumed, in open tournaments it is decided by nigiri
Dumed [13k\]: oh
kuikentje [5k\]: it's a real tournament
pogomo [?\]: what's a nigiri?
Sonica [1k\]: 1p =7d
kryft [4k\]: Dumed, White does have komi.
kuikentje [5k\]: and I don't think Eric Lui would want to have it another way either
Dumed [13k\]: that makes sense then
deft [4d\]: nigiri = drawing stones
Tower [3d\]: top amateurs can be compared to pros, not the top pros, but look at jie li
limestruck [1k\]: old 9p can be weaker than new 1p
ekku [-\]: its a rice ball topped with fish :-)
TwentyCent [1k\]: 1d-7d = amateur dan
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;B[je]C[HappyCat [4k\]: nigiri is where one person grabs a handful of stones and the other guesses whether there are an even or odd amount
azndemon [12k\]: nigiri is basically how who gets which stones
TwentyCent [1k\]: 1p-9p = professional dan
deft [4d\]: white takes a handful of stones and black guesses odd or even
Shana [3d\]: 1d-9d-amateur dan xD
vg674 [15k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Nigiri
Shana [3d\]: 1p-10p=professional dan
USGO1 [-\]: The players did not nigiri for color.  The pairings are preset by the tournament software.
pogomo [?\]: why does dumed keep saying it's unfair?
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;W[me]C[Gay [4d\]: how can i get strong at nigir
pogomo [?\]: lol
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;B[if]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: nigiri means "I take it"
shinkirou [1k\]: aww white :(
Paddlefoot [1d\]: they also call sushi nigiri
jankenpopp: read the book , Gay
Hagios [4k\]: Oh, thank you for correcting me, USGO1.  My mistake :)
Paddlefoot [1d\]: the ones you eat with your hands
Bierce [1d\]: d10
shinkirou [1k\]: looks impossible for w now
mpan [8k\]: Paddlefoot, I'm pretty sure that word is slightly different
pogomo [?\]: if i write a book on how to get strong at nigiri will you buy it??
TwentyCent [1k\]: black is so good now
Groningen [10k\]: j15 is 85% dead now
Tsuijin [1d\]: n15 feels devious
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I always thought it's the same.......but I have no idea what the kanji are
azndemon [12k\]: there is a percentage?
Tower [3d\]: j15 is unimportant
theremin [1k\]: and only 50% dead :)
jankenpopp: q14?
theremin [1k\]: still 2 liberties
lesid [7k\]: pro games are always the same: everybody say that w losing and at the end B wins
shinkirou [1k\]: it's not about one stone but the potential w had on left
Tower [3d\]: q14 looks like overplay
Gay [4d\]: D10 now
kuikentje [5k\]: haha lesid :p
USGO1 [-\]: During the North American Ing Masters tournament, which will be at 7pm PST this evening, the players nigiri for color since they will be playing that tournament according to Ing Rules instead of AGA rules.
Paddlefoot [1d\]: h18 as a probe
Paddlefoot [1d\]: mmaybe not
Tower [3d\]: h18 would hurt the N17 stones probably
Dumed [13k\]: why arent they playing aga rules?
nasnad [1d?\]: yes, n18 becomes a problem
Paradize [2k\]: K18
kuikentje [5k\]: they are playing AGA rules
patrickb [-\]: They are playing AGA rules - this is just the relay
USGO1 [-\]: The US Open is played according to AGA rules.
Dumed [13k\]: oh
kuikentje [5k\]: but in the ING tournament, they'll play on a (slightly) different ruleset
t0Strong4u [-\]: eric is pianist?
Groningen [10k\]: d10 possible ?
Tower [3d\]: yeah
Shana [3d\]: eric=theone
Tower [3d\]: and pianist
Paradize [2k\]: upper right group isn t safe to me
joelw [12k\]: d10 def possible
Appendix [3k\]: tenuki possible?
Tower [3d\]: yeah of course
Tower [3d\]: tenuki always possible :P
Gay [4d\]: q10 is another idea
Gay [4d\]: but maybe later ^¨
Gay [4d\]: first d10 gogo
Paddlefoot [1d\]: ingq10 is horrible
MrShintou [-\]: d10 
MrShintou [-\]: i like
azndemon [12k\]: we the association of kgs go vote d10
G0g0l [1d\]: we (me) go vote d9 
kuikentje [5k\]: wouldn't you want to start from s9 if you want to use r10 aji?
jankenpopp: wouldnt q10 awaken o5 aji?
change [8k\]: o17 still weak
Tsuijin [1d\]: i vote r12
Paddlefoot [1d\]: p11
joelw [12k\]: k4 my vote
Paddlefoot [1d\]: if anything
shinkirou [1k\]: p14 maybe
Appendix [3k\]: USGO2 great commentator =P
jankenpopp: p11 seems interesting..
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;W[qd]C[joelw [12k\]: woot
azndemon [12k\]: wow
BOKITO [2k\]: nice
kuikentje [5k\]: o_O
Paddlefoot [1d\]: ????
theremin [1k\]: W wants Q18 sente ?
Kashuu [1k\]: whats nice about it?
Sonica [1k\]: to take outside ?
joelw [12k\]: sending in the depth charge
t0Strong4u [-\]: whats the point of this move
azndemon [12k\]: i guess joelw just went up 10 stones
Paddlefoot [1d\]: yeah
USGO1 [-\]: Both players have stepped away again.  Bathroom breaks and just to stretch legs.
kuikentje [5k\]: or 20
Shana [3d\]: wow... someone has an active bladder
NinjaKun [1k\]: p12 seems better than p11
mpan [8k\]: b is losing time during this bathroom break?
Dumed [13k\]: lol
Hagios [4k\]: What are the clock readings, USGO1?
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: q18 sente is impossible
Groningen [10k\]: are they secretly consulting a computer ?
Dumed [13k\]: lol
mpan [8k\]: they're stronger than computers
USGO1 [-\]: Yes the clocks are always running.
kuikentje [5k\]: they are far stronger than any computer
Dumed [13k\]: yeah
Shana [3d\]: hi eric! we can see u here
Tsuijin [1d\]: they must be consulting with mogo
azndemon [12k\]: hold on ming jiu jiang just called me...
kuikentje [5k\]: haha :p
joelw [12k\]: i think this move is a test...wants to see which way b will atari
Graouleu [5k\]: stronger than drunkengnu?
MrShintou [-\]: b doens't have to atari 
Paddlefoot [1d\]: knows which way b will atari
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check: w: 1:17 , b: 1:32 remaining in basic time.
Gay [4d\]: demon she ask for help?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: good point
Hagios [4k\]: Thank you very much, USGO1
nasnad [1d?\]: what are blacks options?
Gay [4d\]: i think some 12kyu ideas would be nice now
USGO1 [-\]: Ming Jiu has returned.
Groningen [10k\]: r15 captures doesn`t it
kuikentje [5k\]: yes
Hagios [4k\]: Groningen: yes
kuikentje [5k\]: r15 captures
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;B[qe]C[Groningen [10k\]: oh, he heard me
azndemon [12k\]: yea i say no atari
azndemon [12k\]: haha
azndemon [12k\]: jk
MilanMilan [9d\]: when w play s16
azndemon [12k\]: WTF
mpan [8k\]: they wouldn't go as far as to play a move just to go to the bathroom would they?
azndemon [12k\]: i mean
MilanMilan [9d\]: b could play Q18
jankenpopp: how can white play s16?
Groningen [10k\]: sorry, I won`t help Ming Jiu again
Rocker [4d\]: milano
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;W[rd]C[Paradize [2k\]: why not K18 Milan ?
jankenpopp: guess that's how..
azndemon [12k\]: ming ignored my advice T_T
Paradize [2k\]: white K18 ?
kuikentje [5k\]: probably they won't, mpan, not with this much time on the clock - better to take up some more time and stay calm
t0Strong4u [-\]: they can't hear you....
MilanMilan [9d\]: hehe
Rocker [4d\]: who r these plaers
Deich [5k\]: q18 milan? i dont get it :(
nasnad [1d?\]: oh, black wants the corner?
Rocker [4d\]: players
NinjaKun [1k\]: q14
presque [5k\]: s15 ?
Rocker [4d\]: ah chinese players
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: q14 lets w q18 in sente
goforblow [15k\]: fuck this i cant watch this shit its way to slow  paced for me
Shana [3d\]: hah
kuikentje [5k\]: what is white's intention here?
t0Strong4u [-\]: language
kuikentje [5k\]: hehe :p
Groningen [10k\]: please boot
goforblow [15k\]: srry
Deich [5k\]: thas why your still 15kyu:)
Shana [3d\]: please ban perm
goforblow [15k\]: im out anyway
kuikentje [5k\]: if they need this much time, you shouldn't hope to understand the game in any less time
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I see no method to white's play
nasnad [1d?\]: q18 is logical, but is it good?
redleaf: the people who ask to ban the others should be banned
joelw [12k\]: p18 looks cooler
Paddlefoot [1d\]: it may be possible to get P14 and O15 in sente
goforblow [15k\]: that was rude
myn [-\]: lol, you're not being logical
nasnad [1d?\]: i dont like it
change [8k\]: s16 good for r10 stone?
Dumed [13k\]: q15 sente if black responds wrong here
goforblow [15k\]: very very rude
KGSPlus [-\]: please keep comments related to the game, and don't swear
Shana [3d\]: sry i have bad experience with cursing and people who curse make me angry
MrShintou [-\]: shh
azndemon [12k\]: you dont like...
Deich [5k\]: q14 not good enough here?
azndemon [12k\]: turn green do you?
Dumed [13k\]: q15 sente 
Paddlefoot [1d\]: q18...q15
nasnad [1d?\]: yes
nasnad [1d?\]: but thrn black gets the corner
nasnad [1d?\]: i dont quite like that trade though
Dumed [13k\]: white wants black to respond in order to get 2 sente moves
Violet [2d\]: q14
Paddlefoot [1d\]: S15 seems fine to me
azndemon [12k\]: i concur
Violence [?\]: You see no method to white's play?
Kashuu [1k\]: jup, id play s15 aswell
Violence [?\]: White has a very smooth flow
Paddlefoot [1d\]: q14 is interestine but q 18 would become sente
Violence [?\]: very flexible plans
Deich [5k\]: tenuki :)
Deich [5k\]: bad joke:(
Kashuu [1k\]: if white cuts after Q15 then R16 doesnt make sence, as he could have just played P14 to start with and avoid all the troubles below?
Violet [2d\]: dubious to tenuki
Shana [3d\]: then q18=reverse sente and pretty big too...
Kashuu [1k\]: **after S15 i mean
redleaf: s15
Violence [?\]: I think Mingjiu will prefer to take P14
redleaf: the players are reading the left side rightnow
Dumed [13k\]: we're entering byo yomi soon right?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: p14 would be aweful
Shana [3d\]: lol no
joelw [12k\]: no
joelw [12k\]: over an hour on the clock
Dumed [13k\]: oh
Violence [?\]: er, Q14, mis coord
Dumed [13k\]: lol
Dumed [13k\]: awsome
acellist1 [5k\]: I am seriously pulling for Eric Lui here.
Paddlefoot [1d\]: q14 makes q 18 sente
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;B[pf]C[Violence [?\]: But it's no choice
chs4 [6k\]: oh dmann
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I'm surprised
Kashuu [1k\]: not bad move, either
Kashuu [1k\]: i think i'd still go for s15 though
Paddlefoot [1d\]: q18 now?
Deich [5k\]: d10 is very big :)
Groningen [10k\]: black is very solid
Violence [?\]: The last time these two played
Violence [?\]: Eric was ahead in endgame
Violence [?\]: but then misclicked on IGS
Snaga [1d?\]: :O
Kashuu [1k\]: lol
Shana [3d\]: lol
mahatma [2k\]: >_<
Violence [?\]: and had to resign immediately
Dumed [13k\]: ...ouch
Malone [9k\]: =/#
acellist1 [5k\]: doh
kuikentje [5k\]: ouch
t0Strong4u [-\]: lol
Gay [4d\]: Q14 is really good helps alot with r10 aji
mahatma [2k\]: thats called pro power
mahatma [2k\]: forced misclicks
Kashuu [1k\]: you shouldnt play serious games on internet
mpan [8k\]: why not ask for undo?
beowulf07 [1d\]: lol
Kashuu [1k\]: atleast not very long serious games ;p
Violence [?\]: It's an internet qualification
Violence [?\]: tournament, the Fujitsu
TanGeng [1k?\]: what tournament is this?
TanGeng [1k?\]: ohhh
TanGeng [1k?\]: oops
Violence [?\]: This one currently is US Open
Kashuu [1k\]: still its stupid, as anything can happen and it sucks to loose on a misclick, or when ur cat rans over hehe
czy1985 [6k\]: lol just read the game name?
Deich [5k\]: w thinks about d10 here?
TanGeng [1k?\]: yeah
Xorax [3d\]: I never played a serious game :|
beowulf07 [1d\]: ...
articienta [-\]: watch your language
Xorax [3d\]: well once maybe
Kashuu [1k\]: liar ;\]
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;W[pb]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: 3d
Paddlefoot [1d\]: you played quite some games though
Deich [5k\]: tenuki now?
Malone [9k\]: what language was wrong now?
Dumed [13k\]: theres the sente
Malone [9k\]: o0
beowulf07 [1d\]: by kashuu...
Paddlefoot [1d\]: S17
presque [5k\]: s15 
Cobja [1d\]: same
Deich [5k\]: s15 or d10
Groningen [10k\]: tenuki ?
G0g0l [1d\]: s19 
MrShintou [-\]: i like tenuki here.
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;B[re]C[quietman [6k\]: if b tenuki it is 11 points loss
Paddlefoot [1d\]: ?????
czy1985 [6k\]: and give up a corner?
Dumed [13k\]: why is d10 still not comming out
shinkirou [1k\]: tenuki? why?
MrShintou [-\]: its a 5.5 point loss because its double gote for white
Groningen [10k\]: white in not yet alive
Paddlefoot [1d\]: s 15 surely leaves s 18 behind in the endgame
Xorax [3d\]: d10 feels bit cramped,, dunno
rubik [7d?\]: more than 11
Paddlefoot [1d\]: why not s17?
Graouleu [5k\]: quizz : what would a 15k do?
misty1 [10k\]: r19
Violence [?\]: It's a 20 point corner
Deich [5k\]: s15 because r10 aji maybe
Graouleu [5k\]: c3
Deich [5k\]: but how big might d10 be?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: r10 aji????
joelw [12k\]: r19 looks big
Gay [4d\]: no
Violence [?\]: not R19, S18
czy1985 [6k\]: no idea, but d10 i think can be reduced, not solid territory
Violence [?\]: but it's just yose
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I have no idea why s 15 is better than s17
beowulf07 [1d\]: lol
Kashuu [1k\]: r19 looks big? what big in the corner, or big on the entire board?
joelw [12k\]: r19, 'cause q19 p19 r19 is sente for b later on
Graouleu [5k\]: i prefer c10 to r10
Violence [?\]: now white gets to play on the left
Hikarujr [2k\]: yea
Hikarujr [2k\]: i would say c10
Hikarujr [2k\]: *d10
Xorax [3d\]: c8?
Kashuu [1k\]: D10
Xorax [3d\]: c3 then c8?
Deich [5k\]: c8 a bit slow or?
Xorax [3d\]: how do you do left side?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: if there is another move in thecorner it's s18 directly
Xorax [3d\]: nono, I pretend to play B
SixThree [3k\]: k10 
quietman [6k\]: i like d9 better
Deich [5k\]: s18 b would tenuki i bet
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;W[dj]C[t0Strong4u [-\]: s18 in yose tho...
beowulf07 [1d\]: d10  seems well placed
mpan [8k\]: how big was that?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: kgs got one right
Paddlefoot [1d\]: belatedly
Paddlefoot [1d\]: kindof
joelw [12k\]: it takes kgs to know kgs
nasnad [1d?\]: what is the count, does blach have to invade?
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;B[cl]C[Deich [5k\]: looks like:)
acellist1 [5k\]: brazen!
USGO1 [-\]: Yang Yilun 7p and Feng Yun 9p are both in the room now observing the games.
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: wow
fairgo1 [10k\]: O_O
Paddlefoot [1d\]: Yang Yliun??
Deich [5k\]: we have a webcam?
t0Strong4u [-\]: did feng yun win or lose yesterday to ricky
Paddlefoot [1d\]: i love that guy's books
acellist1 [5k\]: won
t0Strong4u [-\]: oh really?
Tzad [8k\]: D8
acellist1 [5k\]: 23 points or so
Gay [4d\]: feng yun won like 20 points
czy1985 [6k\]: woa..
t0Strong4u [-\]: huh? but b was winning in like late middlegame when i left
t0Strong4u [-\]: b being ricky 
Gay [4d\]: never was winning 
Gay [4d\]: lol
pebarefoot [10k\]: is there a video broaedcast some where ?
t0Strong4u [-\]: but he was....
Gay [4d\]: no
Groningen [10k\]: yeah right...
acellist1 [5k\]: he had a chance maybe
Paddlefoot [1d\]: why would you watch that?
pebarefoot [10k\]: bummer
konoha18 [18k\]: why are there so many dans here today
Paradize [2k\]: B10
Tzad [8k\]: Anyone want to guess the next move for w?
konoha18 [18k\]: is this a live match?
pebarefoot [10k\]: i watched the europens masters a few days ago
Groningen [10k\]: d8 
USGO1 [-\]: Sorry, there is no video broadcast.  Pictures are being posted on the website.  Follow links from www.usgo.org.
beowulf07 [1d\]: c10?
Aronvitki [12k\]: E8
Gay [4d\]: C10
pebarefoot [10k\]: thank you
Gay [4d\]: e8 is tard move ^^
presque [5k\]: d7 
guerecon [2k\]: D8
joelw [12k\]: c9
Gay [4d\]: c9 bad shape
BOKITO [2k\]: maybe w can do e2? to make  c3 less painful
Dragonette [6k\]: I like C10 here
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: c10 > c9
beowulf07 [1d\]: b thinking of c3?
shinkirou [1k\]: b10 sure to give territory in one half of left side
czy1985 [6k\]: why not e8?
acellist1 [5k\]: my first thought was d7 too, guess it's 5k move
presque [5k\]: ^^
Paddlefoot [1d\]: d7 is overly aggressive
joelw [12k\]: d8 is better than e8 imo
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;W[cj]C[Deich [5k\]: wow!
Gay [4d\]: yay
Groningen [10k\]: e8 
Paddlefoot [1d\]: huh
Paradize [2k\]: even B can take corner it was a lonely stoone to me
Gay [4d\]: i got it right 
rubik [7d?\]: it was quite evident
Paddlefoot [1d\]: nice
shinkirou [1k\]: he can c3 but w still makes a lot
rubik [7d?\]: what else could he do ? :-p
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: now c3 big problem for white
czy1985 [6k\]: oh its white's turn. was falling aslp..
kuikentje [5k\]: about 250 other moves rubik :p
beowulf07 [1d\]: lol
kuikentje [5k\]: at least for the untrained eye ^_^
Gay [4d\]: yes
rubik [7d?\]: lol just joking
nasnad [1d?\]: well, c8 not safe now
Malone [9k\]: well, he tried so hard to appear smart, rubik... mean you..^^
presque [5k\]: that's typical ? reaction ..;
Hagios [4k\]: c3 bigger than saving c8?
Dragonette [6k\]: will black jump out here or play in the corner?
Deich [5k\]: c8 prepared c3?
mahatma [2k\]: b probably is counting
Gay [4d\]: probably corner
presque [5k\]: g13 now
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;B[dr]C[Hagios [4k\]: Hmm
beowulf07 [1d\]: d2 so safe...
Paddlefoot [1d\]: seems submissive
Dragonette [6k\]: it feels meek
Hagios [4k\]: Does d2 keep sente?
Gay [4d\]: nice move
jc0ol: its actually really big.
beowulf07 [1d\]: d8?
Gay [4d\]: she aiming sente
t0Strong4u [-\]: she?
Gay [4d\]: well dno
Graouleu [5k\]: b is greedy
Gay [4d\]: she or he 
t0Strong4u [-\]: lol
Gay [4d\]: b not greedy 
Paddlefoot [1d\]: Ming's gender anyone?
presque [5k\]: male
Dominas25 [9k?\]: androgenous
Graouleu [5k\]: shemale
Paddlefoot [1d\]: it plays well
Gay [4d\]: Ming sound like female i think -.-
patrickb [-\]: *cough*
Dominas25 [9k?\]: questionable
kuikentje [5k\]: his profile says "He teaches" 
beowulf07 [1d\]: b thinks d2 enough
PeonCaKos [5k\]: male
Gay [4d\]: ok
Paddlefoot [1d\]: right
Malone [9k\]: maybe there's something beetween submissive and greedy...^^
PeonCaKos [5k\]: http://www.gomasters.com/index.php?id=238
presque [5k\]: his voice sounds like male's
beowulf07 [1d\]: ...
Dragonette [6k\]: well it's traditional to refer to black as "she" anyway
Antilop [7k\]: everybody is "she" for Gay
Paddlefoot [1d\]: really?
joelw [12k\]: w should surround c8 imo
Dragonette [6k\]: or maybe that's backwards
Paddlefoot [1d\]: traditional to refer to b as she?
Dragonette [6k\]: maybe white is traditionally "she"
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I've never heard that
Gay [4d\]: can w just defend corner?
Gay [4d\]: feels painful
joelw [12k\]: if u give up the corner now, moves aren't sente there anymore
kuikentje [5k\]: wouldn't it be better to capture c8 now, instead of defending the corner?
Dragonette [6k\]: It has to do with the dualism of the yin yang.
Gay [4d\]: y
Ulath [5k\]: c3 c2 e7 maybe ?
Gay [4d\]: i would capture c8 now
kuikentje [5k\]: feels submissive though
joelw [12k\]: ya, that's what I'm saying.  surround c8
presque [5k\]: f4 ?
presque [5k\]: bad ..
Ulath [5k\]: I'd play c3 first and surround after
Ulath [5k\]: but.. don't know :)
change [8k\]: w j3?
nasnad [1d?\]: c3 is not sente
Paddlefoot [1d\]: you wouldn't get a chance
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;W[dl]C[mpan [8k\]: doubt b is so kind to give you both
joelw [12k\]: wooot
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;B[dm]C[Ulath [5k\]: against Ming Jiu, sure
Ulath [5k\]: lol
BOKITO [2k\]: after you play c3 it's the other guys move :P
]
;W[cm]C[mpan [8k\]: why d8 not e8 ?
Ulath [5k\]: well, after c3 I can do c2 and keep the corner if c8 escape :)
Shana [3d\]: cuz d8 captures
kuikentje [5k\]: because e8 leaves room for black to run out
Ciovo [5k?\]: and what about D7?
eXistenZ [2k?\]: didn't eric beat mingjiu last year?
Paradize [2k\]: D7 works well
Ulath [5k\]: good timing for B c3 now ?
presque [5k\]: e8 then e6 
Paradize [2k\]: it could be complicated
Laki91 [5d\]: what are time settings? 8 hours?
Ulath [5k\]: e8 before c3 maybe :)
kuikentje [5k\]: each 2 hours, Laki
joelw [12k\]: mebbe d8 was too close?
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;B[ff]C[nasnad [1d?\]: why did black play d7 so quickly?
kuikentje [5k\]: of which both must have used about an hour by now I think
USGO1 [-\]: Time settings: 2 hours basic time, 5 periods of 30 seconds Byo-Yomi
Gay [4d\]: not too much
presque [5k\]: it's written under Option -> Rules
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: yesterday byo-yomi was 1 minute periods
HFL [8d\]: close
Dragonette [6k\]: I would be nifty if the broadcasts could update the times too.
Gay [4d\]: w big left side!
Ciovo [5k?\]: the window?
USGO1 [-\]: US Open plays with 5/30 seconds, North American Ing Masters uses 5/60 seconds but only 90 minutes Basic Time.
Paddlefoot [1d\]: F15
Paddlefoot [1d\]: push once surely
beowulf07 [1d\]: d13
joelw [12k\]: g15
Paddlefoot [1d\]: submissive
Paddlefoot [1d\]: g15 madness
joelw [12k\]: I'm crazy!!!
acellist1 [5k\]: lol
change [8k\]: e14?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: you got R16 right
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 58 minutes, B: 78 minutes
pebarefoot [10k\]: thx
elohimmeth [2k\]: good move..
presque [5k\]: indeed
presque [5k\]: 7p move
Gay [4d\]: b can try make about 15 points in center!
Paradize [2k\]: F18
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;W[cq]C[Paradize [2k\]: ?
Violence [?\]: I really wanted to play this
Violence [?\]: but I thought it'd be too slow
presque [5k\]: e13 
acellist1 [5k\]: it is big tho
shinkirou [1k\]: everyone really wantedt o play this too as w
joelw [12k\]: b going to pwn left side now
Paradize [2k\]: is F18 bothering F14 move ?
Gay [4d\]: aji in corner?
kuikentje [5k\]: it looks slow to my kyu eye
shinkirou [1k\]: f14 is kinda thin hard to reduce much
presque [5k\]: you mean c2  ?
nasnad [1d?\]: slow but big
Paddlefoot [1d\]: seems slow to me too
Gay [4d\]: b's next move?
change [8k\]: n13
shinkirou [1k\]: e13
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;B[db]C[Paradize [2k\]: hehe
Paradize [2k\]: F18 was good
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presque [5k\]: so who says e18  and who says c18 ?
Paradize [2k\]: c18 sure
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;W[cb]C[Gay [4d\]: its almost always better to go from c18
shinkirou [1k\]: how about d16 ? :)
beowulf07 [1d\]: w feels its enough
beowulf07 [1d\]: and risky
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Javaness [-\]: where is the black potential
USGO1 [-\]: Time limits are 2 hours basic time, 5 periods of 30 seconds byo yomi.
Gay [4d\]: d16 is bad i think
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Advanced [1k\]: just a draw back should be enough
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu Jiang is a Chinese 7-dan professional. He’s the brother of Zhujiu “Jujo” Jiang and the author of Punishing and Correcting Joseki Mistakes, and, with Guo Juan, of All about Joseki as well as co-editor, with his brother, of "Weiqi Technique Encyclopedia." He’s the winner of the Western Section of the 2004, 2006, and 2008 North American Toyota Denso Oza Championships.
nasnad [1d?\]: D14?
Gay [4d\]: d14 would be overplay
USGO1 [-\]: Eric is away from the board while Ming Jiu contemplates his next move.
acellist1 [5k\]: in other words b can play go
Gay [4d\]: probably try to get something in center 
Paradize [2k\]: lol
shinkirou [1k\]: n13 looks interesting to me
shinkirou [1k\]: for centre potential
Paradize [2k\]: n13 or only O13
karui [6d\]: n13 is too thin in my opinion
nasnad [1d?\]: still aji left in r10
nasnad [1d?\]: alot
Ciovo [5k?\]: L5?
karui [6d\]: w can play r11 and escape probably
Gay [4d\]: f12
karui [6d\]: s11*
Paradize [2k\]: so p11
GeorgeW [-\]: You mean s11 s9 p11?
change [8k\]: o9?
karui [6d\]: i dont know to play games like this
Ciovo [5k?\]: what kind of game is it?
gentil [6d\]: ok, make your bet
karui [6d\]: its almoust engame..no fighting
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;B[dd]C[Paradize [2k\]: what do you bet gentil ?
Paradize [2k\]: bit late
gorka [2d\]: how much time have they left USGO plz ?
GoteGote [1d\]: 8d 7p, what's the real differance in kank?
GoteGote [1d\]: rank?
shinkirou [1k\]: yay go fluke 1k move
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 51 minutes, B: 68 minutes
twintom [6k\]: it looks like b has more potential 
gorka [2d\]: thanks
nasnad [1d?\]: you cant compare the ranks, different systems
nasnad [1d?\]: but maybe you can compare their strengths
GoteGote [1d\]: and what about strenght?
Dragonette [6k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?RankWorldwideComparison there's an approximation anyway
GoteGote [1d\]: professional ar like 9d?
gorka [2d\]: maybe 7p could give 2 handi to 8d
GoteGote [1d\]: ok
nadavshapi [7d?\]: no
nadavshapi [7d?\]: mingjiu is a relative weak pro
gorka [2d\]: really ?
shinkirou [1k\]: what makes you say that ?
gorka [2d\]: "weak pro"
beowulf07 [1d\]: ...
nadavshapi [7d?\]: yes
sorminator [3d\]: funny to say weak pro
gorka [2d\]: ahah
shinkirou [1k\]: ya especially 7p
nadavshapi [7d?\]: well weak in relative of course
hngryhippo [4k\]: he isn't active in the pro ranks anymore
GoteGote [1d\]: How many stone will he gives you you think?
Snaga [1d?\]: compared to top pros he is weak
Dragonette [6k\]: of course that comparison doesn't talk at all about pro ranks
nadavshapi [7d?\]: ming jiu can give me 3 stones
GoteGote [1d\]: ok thanks
takayanagi [4d\]: 3? more like 6
gorka [2d\]: ahah
lazy [?\]: nadav probably much more
nadavshapi [7d?\]: maybe for you
Tzad [8k\]: Is it so that the pros never lose rank?
tromp [-\]: is eric's last name liu or lui?
addxz: i think more than 3 stones
hngryhippo [4k\]: yes, txad,  the pros never lose rank
Euphorie [-\]: lui
sorminator [3d\]: nadav,we all know that you not 7dan here^^
ataraf [8k\]: 7 p sould give 8 handi to 8 d
Euphorie [-\]: no way
nadavshapi [7d?\]: well i played against him with 3 stones and i beat him
addxz: he still has his 7p rank
takayanagi [4d\]: u wann pretend ure really 7d?
tromp [-\]: lui is a dutch work
gorka [2d\]: but what is your rank nadavshapi ?
Tzad [8k\]: If you are 7p once, you will continue to be 7d forever
Paddlefoot [1d\]: nope
addxz: its just that the younger pros dont bother to elevate their rank
tromp [-\]: meaning lazy :(
nadavshapi [7d?\]: as it says
lazy [?\]: what? o_O
takayanagi [4d\]: lol
takayanagi [4d\]: 7d at rank drift
beowulf07 [1d\]: lol
addxz: with your last rated game being?
ataraf [8k\]: יפה
lazy [?\]: ohh this silly game is denying me my stargate dose... (/me is trying to convert my go addiction into something more.., subtle...)
GeorgeW [-\]: Into stargate addiction?
gorka [2d\]: play WoW lazy
shinkirou [1k\]: go is subtle
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;W[ec]C[nadavshapi [7d?\]: ataraf is feeling like talking hebrew
]
;B[ed]C[shinkirou [1k\]: uhoh w choose nasty variation
nadavshapi [7d?\]: shalom gam lecha
]
;W[cd]
;B[eb]
;W[cc]C[lazy [?\]: gorka, seeing my buddy makes me think it may be worse :D
]
;B[fd]C[Shana [3d\]: oh em gee! nadav is 7d lawl
change [8k\]: ataraf for arafat?
gorka [2d\]: yes
nadavshapi [7d?\]: no
]
;W[ef]C[lazy [?\]: but how much can u think of wow when u'r offline? go haunts my sleep :)
nadavshapi [7d?\]: ataraf is crazy
GoteGote [1d\]: Another question to understand a little better power of pro: How many stones you think the better pro will give to the better amateur?
GoteGote [1d\]: better -> best
beowulf07 [1d\]: none
G0g0l [1d\]: best
maligo [3d\]: 31
nadavshapi [7d?\]: define a better pro and a better amature
]
;B[fg]C[gorka [2d\]: my brother is around top100 in europe at WoW, he has no life at all
lazy [?\]: yes none i'd assume
Malone [9k\]: well, of course he turns his rank on these days to show the 7 ....^^
GoteGote [1d\]: sorry for my english i would say best pro and best amateur
nouziller [2k\]: hi badaboo
lazy [?\]: though pro do do it as a proffesion and therefore devote more time to studying of the vars...
Terran [5d\]: the best first-class insei koreans can handle top-level pros with 0.5 komi.
Malone [9k\]: pathetic attitude comes in many different forms...
nadavshapi [7d?\]: who's the best pro
Malone [9k\]: =)
lazy [?\]: byt at that level of playing, komi should be clsoe enough, probably
Alenchon [6k\]: center looks like no-mans land
nadavshapi [7d?\]: first tell me who's the best pro and who's the best amature and ill tell you how many h
]
;W[eg]C[beowulf07 [1d\]: ...
lazy [?\]: nadav, maybe sakata? shuei? though a little misfet at this time and probably would lack knowladge...
nadavshapi [7d?\]: i think yun jun sang is stronger
lazy [?\]: wow so many errors >_>
Violence [?\]: Whoa, Sakata and Shuei? Out of all the pros, you pick those?
GoteGote [1d\]: just want to have one idea nav, not need to define who is the best...
Appendix [3k\]: r10 still good for aji?
nadavshapi [7d?\]: well you cant define
lazy [?\]: violence, why not? :'(
flashback [6d\]: w is ahead
lazy [?\]: who would u pick/ :)
lazy [?\]: *m - i'm tired of these mistakes :)
Dragonette [6k\]: I suspect the strongest pro would not want to give stones to the strongest amatuer
gosta [5k\]: 5. line is line of ?
Moist [6k\]: this doesn't look good
Violence [?\]: Noone from Japan...
gorka [2d\]: (thanks flashback) :p
Moist [6k\]: it's time to resign
Moist [6k\]: +120
joo110 [10k\]: w controls alot of left side right?
Moist [6k\]: Yes
Moist [6k\]: So game is over
Dragonette [6k\]: s/alot/all/g
joo110 [10k\]: but black will be stronger in middle right?
lazy [?\]: violence well i'm not thinking of the blitzy style games of modern competition...
shinkirou [1k\]: sakata could take on any korean pro in his prime
shinkirou [1k\]: japanese or not doesn't matter
Violence [?\]: Blitzy style?
lazy [?\]: i'm thinking more in the direction of a wow kifu to hang over my bed :)
Violence [?\]: 5 hours main time is Blitzy style?
limestruck [1k\]: if b gets r side now, it looks even i think
Moist [6k\]: b will die
Moist [6k\]: w should resign
nadavshapi [7d?\]: its either lee sedol, kand dong yun, park yeong hun, yun junsang, lee chang ho, kim seung joon, mok jin seok or diana koszegi
lazy [?\]: yes shinkirou, i'm preety sure as well ^^
presque [5k\]: Moist ...
shinkirou [1k\]: ^^
Violence [?\]: Wow... did you just include Diana Koszegi
mahatma [1k\]: gu li :D
guerecon [2k\]: mok jin seok
Violence [?\]: with a bunch of Korean top pros?
nadavshapi [7d?\]: sure
nadavshapi [7d?\]: she is strong
makoregevr [2d\]: i hate the korean dans here
lazy [?\]: violence, well we could argue some more about it but it'd lead no where :)
nadavshapi [7d?\]: i know her
makoregevr [2d\]: they are always think
Tower [3d\]: n13 ?
makoregevr [2d\]: and they dont need
Advanced [1k\]: maybe thats what we need to do also xD
lazy [?\]: yes gu li is one of my fav players :)
Advanced [1k\]: to take a little time and think...
nadavshapi [7d?\]: i bet no one here knows yun junsang
lazy [?\]: not in person
shinkirou [1k\]: gu li beat chang hao, lee changho and lee sedol in a row
joo110 [10k\]: has anyone seen beatme play?
shinkirou [1k\]: recently so ya :)
Email [5k\]: oooooooooohhh!!!!! b will win
Malone [9k\]: you're so lame.... =D
Advanced [1k\]: in the same tournament?
Violence [?\]: He's the winner o this year's Korea New Stars, nadav
USGO1 [-\]: Some of the other games in the room are starting to finish up.  Both Eric and Ming Jiu seem annoyed with their too loud counting and comments after the games.
Paradize [2k\]: B N13 W O9
shinkirou [1k\]: ya i think it was fujitsu cup
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: SE says B+2.5!!!!!!!!!!
nadavshapi [7d?\]: yes
Violence [?\]: er wait, last year's
nadavshapi [7d?\]: he is in the nongshim pae team
Violence [?\]: but I watched a game between Diana Koszegi vs Han Sanghoon
Paddlefoot [1d\]: se +- 10 at the moment
Advanced [1k\]: the game could go either way
Paddlefoot [1d\]: maybe more
Violence [?\]: and she really doesn't belong in the same category as all the pros you mentioned
beef: who is leading?
nadavshapi [7d?\]: but diana koszegi is really strong and belive me  i know
Violence [?\]: I would replace her name with Sanghoon, personally
Malone [9k\]: ^^
Advanced [1k\]: every pro is "really" strong though >_>
takayanagi [4d\]: of course u will know
USGO1 [-\]: Both players are spending a lot of time now counting and reading the position.
Grimalkin [3k\]: there's a big difference between "really strong" and "the best in the world"
nadavshapi [7d?\]: i know her
beef: diana lost to eric once in Korea
nodan [-\]: i think w will win
Advanced [1k\]: well, i wonder how you count the center
Sponge7 [3d\]: you are weak nadav
Malone [9k\]: so we read ... you know her, but that doesn't put here in one range with lee sedol.
monboubou [2k?\]: Violence -> is possible to have the sgf ?
nadavshapi [7d?\]: viktor said hi
nadavshapi [7d?\]: malone do you know her strength?
shinkirou [1k\]: pretty pointless discussion ....
nadavshapi [7d?\]: well i do
Violence [?\]: Yeah, I recorded the sgf
Snaga [1d?\]: ...
GoteGote [1d\]: I have something like 65 to 60 for black,
Malone [9k\]: no, but I know a logical argument...
monboubou [2k?\]: oh can you send it to me 
Malone [9k\]: ^^
monboubou [2k?\]: ?
USGO1 [-\]: The sgf files for all of the broadcast games will be available in the Congress Results section on usgo.org.
Alenchon [6k\]: shinkirou: I agree
Violence [?\]: I'll load it
Malone [9k\]: and the will to brag isn't anything valid to prove a point...
AmerBeton [12k\]: how long do they have to play ?
Snaga [1d?\]: is this the first round?
Alenchon [6k\]: If B is going to win, needs more influence in the centre; how to get it?
Advanced [1k\]: yeah
Advanced [1k\]: b has at least 60
GoteGote [1d\]: then 65 to 65 with komi
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;B[kb]C[Advanced [1k\]: w has a left of about 45
GoteGote [1d\]: yep
beef: b is worrying w G18
Advanced [1k\]: top is 10 or 20, hard to analyze right
GoteGote [1d\]: 5 in right and 10 up
Advanced [1k\]: because o5 could destroy all of it in a second
GoteGote [1d\]: no more 10...
egemen [-\]: b is too pro:)
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;W[lb]C[Advanced [1k\]: yeah meant 10, wasnt paying attention to what i was typing
Advanced [1k\]: xD
Advanced [1k\]: b has better potential though
nadavshapi [7d?\]: black is also leading by 2.5 points
GoteGote [1d\]: it's nice to have the client (and not SE) Can try to count
beef: with 7.5 komi, game is close imho
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: its nice to have a 7dount for you
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: 7d count*
takayanagi [4d\]: w has a pretty good chance to win this
Grimalkin [3k\]: nadav is not a 7d
Malone [9k\]: he's as 7d as you're 1p
Malone [9k\]: ^^
takayanagi [4d\]: i wonder if hes even 1d
nadavshapi [7d?\]: said the 9k
]
;B[jb]C[nadavshapi [7d?\]: said the 4dan
takayanagi [4d\]: lol
Malone [9k\]: yeah, and he is right, too ... =)
shinkirou [1k\]: said the 7d?
Aokame [2k\]: hello there, is w ericdai on kgs?
takayanagi [4d\]: said the fake 7d
Grimalkin [3k\]: well, the website for the school where you're studying has you listed as 1d nadav
Grimalkin [3k\]: I can provide the link if you like
Shana [3d\]: lets have oysy pwn nadav...
pebarefoot [10k\]: insert one or more SE jokes here <--- , no please don't !
Aokame [2k\]: takayanagi from tenjo tenge
takayanagi [4d\]: maybe u should play me a ranked game then?
Malone [9k\]: well, shana .. it would be the other way round of course...
nadavshapi [7d?\]: im listed as 3 dan from lst week and thats korean rank
Malone [9k\]: =)
nadavshapi [7d?\]: last*
Snaga [1d?\]: what school?
nadavshapi [7d?\]: iba
Aokame [2k\]: is eric lui sentinel on kgs?
nadavshapi [7d?\]: korea
Shana [3d\]: if u beat taka then i guess ur better than 1d
nadavshapi [7d?\]: yes im in korea
Deich [5k\]: pls quite
beef: eric has many 9d accounts in kgs
quietman [6k\]: i would like to play r11
Snaga [1d?\]: studying to become pro?
quietman [6k\]: i would be sooo interesting
Aokame [2k\]: whois this ericdai?
nadavshapi [7d?\]: studying to improve
play234 [5d?\]: dai junfu
Advanced [1k\]: you live in korea nadav?
elohimmeth [2k\]: O9 ?
]
;W[mg]C[Ukasuhs [2k?\]: p11
Aokame [2k\]: dai junfu, who is he?
nadavshapi [7d?\]: i can show you all a joseki and i bet more than 99/100 wont know it
NattyIce [1k\]: eric=theone=pianist i believe
gojevec [3d\]: muscle dude
takayanagi [4d\]: knowing a joseki doesnt make u 7d
Shana [3d\]: chem is 7d?
takayanagi [4d\]: xD
nadavshapi [7d?\]: no
Uberdude [2d\]: nadavshapi i can show you some humility and manners and i bet you won't know it
Grimalkin [3k\]: http://www.baduk-academy.com/
Natsume [?\]: lol
nadavshapi [7d?\]: of course i will
Malone [9k\]: =D
USGO1 [-\]: Janice Kim 3p is now roaming the room observing the games.
]
;B[nk]C[Aokame [2k\]: whos this w? hes doing pretty good
nadavshapi [7d?\]: and uberdude you said something about manners
takayanagi [4d\]: ur game list gives clearly states ure not 7d
takayanagi [4d\]: is there still need to pretend?
nadavshapi [7d?\]: i never said: "i am 7 dan"
Aokame [2k\]: tenjo tenge
Advanced [1k\]: hes probably not even dan -_-
Malone [9k\]: nope, you just turned your rank on now by accident...
Malone [9k\]: =D
Aokame [2k\]: who cares
Aokame [2k\]: this w great
takayanagi [4d\]: u said mingjuu is weak and other arrogant stuff like ure that strong
Aokame [2k\]: who is he, i saw a pic of him, young one
beef: mingju is very strong
nadavshapi [7d?\]: i said mingjiu is a weak pro
pebarefoot [10k\]: please people , let us all get along
nadavshapi [7d?\]: which i dont think anyone can deny
Shana [3d\]: lets hug and make up xD
takayanagi [4d\]: and ure a weak amateur
lubricated [5k\]: lies.
pebarefoot [10k\]: ;ofe is too short
nadavshapi [7d?\]: i neveer said im a strong amature
KGSPlus [-\]: please keep comments related to the game
Alenchon [6k\]: is there an admin in the house?
Malone [9k\]: nah, I love little show offs too much, pebare....
Aokame [2k\]: just censor each other, this w great
Malone [9k\]: ^^
beef: mingju beat JieLi recently in Fujitsu preliminary
]
;W[fe]
;B[ge]
;W[fh]C[GoteGote [1d\]: r10 aji can be reactivae now? with n13 stone...
Advanced [1k\]: all pros have really high potential each game :P
Advanced [1k\]: considering they were able to pass the test at all >_>
shockjocks [2k\]: Is Jie Li in this year?
Aokame [2k\]: this w is a young boy
Silver [6d?\]: no, mingjiu is not a weak pro
Aokame [2k\]: is he palying on kgs?
]
;B[nm]C[GoArena [-\]: he s a teacher
Advanced [1k\]: how old is eric?
Aokame [2k\]: 19?
Aokame [2k\]: not older
takayanagi [4d\]: nadav did u beat mingjuu? what r u basing that statement on?
shockjocks [2k\]: why no Jie Li this year?
Shana [3d\]: lol yuki let it go
lubricated [5k\]: taka dont worry about it
takayanagi [4d\]: :/
Xorax [3d\]: o7 feels odd :o
Tsuijin [1d\]: isn't Jie Lie preparing for World Student Oza?
lubricated [5k\]: b really want to p8 now
kyudosha [1d\]: its normal xD
Advanced [1k\]: so does w
GoteGote [1d\]: but p8 can be big trouble for white
Advanced [1k\]: it almost feels like w has to p8 but he has to defend cut
shinkirou [1k\]: hmm i wanted w to try L2 but doesn't seem good now
Aokame [2k\]: does w plays on kgs?
Advanced [1k\]: yep...
Advanced [1k\]: pianist
N2M [3d\]: f12 big ?
change [8k\]: w is pianist?
Aokame [2k\]: guys, whos sentinel, what u guess?
Advanced [1k\]: i think a move near f6 would be much larger
Advanced [1k\]: i think that's eric also, not sure
Yoseki [3k\]: is this real time?
Advanced [1k\]: someone listed all of his accs earlier
Shana [3d\]: lol
Shana [3d\]: whos isnt eric?
Advanced [1k\]: lol
Aokame [2k\]: i like w go
beef: w is violinist in the real world though he plays piano too.
shinkirou [1k\]: q6 is a painful point :(
Shana [3d\]: its a known fact pianist doesnt play piano
danb [1k\]: how much time have they used so far?
Aokame [2k\]: whos dai junfu? wheres he living?
Deich [5k\]: g12?
scurge [4d\]: germany?
shy [-\]: no
shy [-\]: fr
Advanced [1k\]: w has to defend
Aokame [2k\]: hes also extremly strong
quietman [6k\]: p6 is ok here?
Advanced [1k\]: id p6
Deich [5k\]: why he has to defend? w could sacrifice r5
Aokame [2k\]: have 
Yoseki [3k\]: to get p8 is too good for B
lubricated [5k\]: youd p6, that means w can't play p6 xD
GoteGote [1d\]: p8 looks ok for white
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 34 minutes, B: 53 minutes
Aokame [2k\]: have Ming won yesterday?
Advanced [1k\]: well
GoteGote [1d\]: but perhaps a move in m2 area better
Uberdude [2d\]: deich w is short of eyes
shinkirou [1k\]: b has o14 to make some cash
GoArena [-\]: Ming won
Advanced [1k\]: this will be fun once timer goes down ;P
Uberdude [2d\]: b could make points and attack
Aokame [2k\]: how much, Goarena?
Aokame [2k\]: was close
jandrews [1k\]: is that time check time used, or remaining?
lubricated [5k\]: s8?
Yoseki [3k\]: 1 min byoyomi?
beef: w is calculating O8
GoArena [-\]: mings opponent resigned
pebarefoot [10k\]: 30 byo yomi
Aokame [2k\]: thx
pebarefoot [10k\]: np
pebarefoot [10k\]: it's under options>rules
Yoseki [3k\]: why don't they just play live on KGS?
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - always time remaining.
Lynx [2d\]: w resigned?
azblueeyes [22k\]: so people at tournament can see?
Deich [5k\]: btw even if w tenuki w would have two eyes
pebarefoot [10k\]: because they are the the US Go Congerss and are playing face to face ?
Yoseki [3k\]: oh where they get points penalty for overtime?
Jenghis [2k\]: No white didn't resign
Yoseki [3k\]: IRL.... cool
USGO1 [-\]: Eric has picked up a stone to play it and put it back into his bowl twice now.  Deciding how he wants to proceed.
shinkirou [1k\]: interesting
casimiro [7k\]: O8
Yoseki [3k\]: Ming Jiu should eat him for lunch
pebarefoot [10k\]: it is beterr on a real goban imo
Malone [9k\]: ah, the subtleties of psychological warfare....^^
pebarefoot [10k\]: *better*
azblueeyes [22k\]: q11?
Yoseki [3k\]: Moing Jiu said he's more comfortable over a goban...
beef: MingJiu used to play sloppy after lunch
pebarefoot [10k\]: lol
cwapface [22k?\]: is this televised as well
cwapface [22k?\]: that would be thrilling tv
pebarefoot [10k\]: i play beterr on a goban
shinkirou [1k\]: not important enough :)
Yoseki [3k\]: that's why did not get 9p?  ;+}
pebarefoot [10k\]: cw , they say not
]
;W[on]C[azblueeyes [22k\]: e5?
beef: w seems leading
Yoseki [3k\]: should suggest they do it live over Internet next time
azblueeyes [22k\]: on youtube? yoseki...as tv?
shinkirou [1k\]: seems b should try to make bototm more solid in sente
Yoseki [3k\]: i dunno if youtube is good for live stuff
GeZe8 [19k\]: Youtube does not do live.
azblueeyes [22k\]: k
GoteGote [1d\]: A little question for better player: how you count m2 area?
N2M [3d\]: o12 ?
lubricated [5k\]: this is awful
lubricated [5k\]: i got my tonsils out
mike2096 [5k\]: cool
lubricated [5k\]: it is the opposite of fun
shy [-\]: lubricated nobody is interested
GoArena [-\]: maybe black is aiming for a big moyo at the bottom/middle
shy [-\]: so stfu :)
lubricated [5k\]: *cue admins saying "don't use that acronym here"*
shy [-\]: sry :<
]
;B[lo]C[Akaro [?\]: what is chance to win for 8d vs 7p?
Shana [3d\]: high
ChemBoy613 [-\]: I just feel bad for eric
ChemBoy613 [-\]: he has to give mingjiu black
Yoseki [3k\]: why W left is huuuge
Lynx [2d\]: W looking trouble
Jenghis [2k\]: I think white is winning right now
mike2096 [5k\]: hi chemy
DeepTuna [2k\]: Akaro: Not impossible, and fact somewhat probably
Yoseki [3k\]: contrary, B is hard with Ing rules
joo110 [10k\]: b slowly blocking w access to middle
lubricated [5k\]: at oza i played poeple 2 stones stronger than me and i was white all 3 times -_-
Firebolt [5k\]: but b is ahead in territory already
GoArena [-\]: is he?
GoteGote [1d\]: not already ahead
mike2096 [5k\]:  soon
Yoseki [3k\]: B is thicker
GoteGote [1d\]: but has better potential
joo110 [10k\]: P11 or P12
beef: w has no problem about eyes in the bottom, w is thinking how to use R10 stone
]
;W[mn]C[joo110 [10k\]: wow didn't see that ^_^
]
;B[el]
;W[dk]C[beef: territory wise, w is not behind, after 7.5 komi, w seems ahead
pebarefoot [10k\]: that is why we are 10k , joo !
Lynx [2d\]: b seems better to my eyes
pebarefoot [10k\]: actually after it was mentioned , i did see it , lol
Lynx [2d\]: but not by much
]
;B[nl]C[beef: eric should beat last round in fujitsu if not mouse slips...
GoteGote [1d\]: sure territory are like 55 + komi for white and  60 for black
beef: eric is ahead of Ming Jiu in the last game they met
azblueeyes [22k\]: is it 6.5 komi?
]
;W[ln]C[GoArena [-\]: 60 for black??
lubricated [5k\]: its 8 komi
GoteGote [1d\]: 60 is a little too much i think
]
;B[ko]C[lubricated [5k\]: but if jigo black wins
azblueeyes [22k\]: thx
pebarefoot [10k\]: you have to be closer tha SE , gote !
lubricated [5k\]: so its 7.5
]
;W[lq]C[GoteGote [1d\]: ^^
BAKUDAN [2d\]: if you count r11 area its about 60 for b
]
;B[kr]C[BAKUDAN [2d\]: but you should not count that
GoteGote [1d\]: i count half of r11 area for black
pebarefoot [10k\]: but i could count this better than SE , i am sure
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: If Eric Lui wins  this game will his rank change?
GoteGote [1d\]: What said SE?
lubricated [5k\]: no
Nouli [-\]: what's the best : running to the middle or live locally for white at P4 ?
]
;W[kn]
;B[jn]C[gorka [2d\]: lol korean
Paddlefoot [1d\]: you can look at the se yourself
beef: rank is not changed easily
karui [6d\]: you sohuld count it w cant do much there becouse n13 can lose eyes
pebarefoot [10k\]: b+37.5
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: im not talking about kgs.. obviuslly... 
GoteGote [1d\]: ^^
lubricated [5k\]: new ranks are awarded over time, and by associations like the AGA for america, korean baduk association for korea, etc.
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: lol b + 46.5
GoteGote [1d\]: Se funny
]
;W[jm]C[pebarefoot [10k\]: indeed , gote
Tsuijin [1d\]: US doesn't do ranks
Tsuijin [1d\]: we do ratings
Makadoudou [5d\]: time left please ?
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: b + 2.5
pebarefoot [10k\]: insert SE joke here <---
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: says SE
]
;B[im]C[lubricated [5k\]: j7 so good
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 24 minutes, B: 45 minutes remaining.
mcpudding [20k\]: what means SE?
Chrom [3k\]: SE = score errator , happy now?
]
;W[jl]C[Makadoudou [5d\]: thx
mcpudding [20k\]: yup
]
;B[il]C[BAKUDAN [2d\]: karui may be right
]
;W[jk]C[lubricated [5k\]: o12
beef: now w is comfortable to move R10 or use it
]
;B[ll]C[Yoseki [3k\]: MJJ sets up double attack
lubricated [5k\]: m9
beef: w has two eys in the bottom even cut it
Rossk [-\]: ye w is alive right
LeT63 [-\]: wouldnt have been better to make eyes instead of this escape?
beef: w is reading J6, a big profit
karui [6d\]: i think w is dead if he dont connect
GoteGote [1d\]: if black enclose it in sente, black will make some point in low center...
jandrews [1k\]: LeT63 - if W made eyes and let himself get shut in, B could have made a lot more points in the middle
change [8k\]: k5?
lubricated [5k\]: b f6?
karui [6d\]: i am sure its dead
Yoseki [3k\]: bottom maybe ko?
karui [6d\]: just q5 and it should be dead
beef: N2 & P8
Uberdude [2d\]: k9 mistake?
Uberdude [2d\]: should m8  himself?
beef: many eyes, even w could S8 to check black
Uberdude [2d\]: and then cut
]
;W[nh]C[goggle [11k\]: is the game going on?
goggle [11k\]: oh
GoteGote [1d\]: nice
kuikentje [5k\]: hehe :p
Violence [?\]: whoaaaa
shinkirou [1k\]: uhoh
shinkirou [1k\]: hehe
Yoseki [3k\]: tenuki!!
shinkirou [1k\]: cut
beef: w is claiming winning
]
;B[oi]C[pebarefoot [10k\]: nice !
Lynx [2d\]: w must know something hello hello
Lynx [2d\]: they know they know
beef: now S8
]
;W[oh]
;B[ph]C[karui [6d\]: he must connect center now
]
;W[rl]C[GoteGote [1d\]: m9
]
;B[rk]C[BAKUDAN [2d\]: b has great chances of win
pebarefoot [10k\]: hm
karui [6d\]: still now eyez
acellist1 [5k\]: so w uses r10 aji to secure lower side group?
Uberdude [2d\]: s6 makes eyes
Lynx [2d\]: it's like a movie
yoof [?\]: W N5 would threaten K5 as well as o6
nasnad [1d?\]: p5 now?
karui [6d\]: if s6 i cuy at l7 and u have to put another move
barty [1d\]: n5 sente too
]
;W[sk]C[beef: good timing
lubricated [5k\]: t7
GoteGote [1d\]: but n5 delete some aji in the j6 cut
lubricated [5k\]: ?
]
;B[sj]C[barty [1d\]: true
Uberdude [2d\]: n5 makes the k5 aji..
]
;W[sl]C[Uberdude [2d\]: this maybe heavy
]
;B[rj]C[Uberdude [2d\]: ok b no rush
Uberdude [2d\]: thinks he is ahead
genesis5: beef, what's your rank?
kuikentje [5k\]: black's style is very calm
Yoseki [3k\]: haha B thinks he made smoe points
bagman [4d\]: he did
]
;W[ik]C[Lynx [2d\]: B needs to win the game not the coolness competition
sagator [11k\]: white is ahead though
Uberdude [2d\]: how much?
Chinlin: always the same, the pro just wins in yose
Yoseki [3k\]: slow game is cool . actually
lubricated [5k\]: pros have good instincts to when they play fighting moves and not... once you master tsumego you develop a peaceful style, from knowing what invasions are rash, and what can/can't be killed
Javaness [-\]: don't trust the SE
Hagios [4k\]: Difficult to say that B is behind.
Chinlin: nice one lub
Lynx [2d\]: sounds nice...lubby :)
pebarefoot [10k\]: good advice javaness
lubricated [5k\]: i feel like crap right now
Lynx [2d\]: why? viral infection?
kuikentje [5k\]: because people are agreeing with you? =)
]
;B[po]C[lubricated [5k\]: tonsilectomy...
pebarefoot [10k\]: ouch
LSF [10k\]: SE dont count acording AGA rulset
Yoseki [3k\]: this is what karui predicted
Jenghis [2k\]: I have the game even about 70 points each including komi
karui [6d\]: i think its alive now with t8:)
GoteGote [1d\]: now like 55 + komi for white and 65 + some potentiel in g6 area for black
]
;W[oo]
;B[qn]C[jandrews [1k\]: SE doesn't count well according to *any* ruleset.  The particular ruleset it uses to count badly hardly matters =P
pebarefoot [10k\]: SE has its problems anyway , aga or not
Yoseki [3k\]: look ma, no eyez
lubricated [5k\]: what if this dies o.O
]
;W[rn]
;B[ro]C[Ukasuhs [2k?\]: b wins
kuikentje [5k\]: the thing is jandrews, in this ruleset it counts very poorly even in very late endgame
Advanced [1k\]: it wont
]
;W[pn]C[misty1 [10k\]: why not extend at s5?
]
;B[qo]C[jandrews [1k\]: well, that's true I suppose.
barty [1d\]: sente better
Uberdude [2d\]: misty1 then b s6
Advanced [1k\]: j6 and push on the two stones
kuikentje [5k\]: but indeed, it doesn't count, it guesses
acellist1 [5k\]: everybody's forgetting to factor in w killing all b stones in their score estimates
Advanced [1k\]: oh nvm, cuts right there
Advanced [1k\]: xD
karui [6d\]: i think w should play n8,so n2 isnt sente
karui [6d\]: or o2
GoteGote [1d\]: j6 h6
pebarefoot [10k\]: difficult for w here now
Chinlin: he has to connect
lubricated [5k\]: m9
shinkirou [1k\]: have to connect
GoteGote [1d\]: but can connect in sente
Advanced [1k\]: j1 first
Advanced [1k\]: j6*
azblueeyes [22k\]: t7?
barty [1d\]: j6 to fast
Yoseki [3k\]: J6 more solid pts for B
]
;W[lr]C[adwue [3k\]: n5 preparing for k5
Snaga [1d?\]: are they on byo-yomi?
kuikentje [5k\]: not yet I think
pebarefoot [10k\]: ??
shinkirou [1k\]: cut
Hagios [4k\]: Hm, what do some stronger players think of o6?  Seems like if B connects, k5 is a good followup?
Brizou [2k\]: g7
Yoseki [3k\]: now K5-like stuff works
Advanced [1k\]: the cut is no threat
MssrBlanc [4k\]: they both had 20 minutes last time it was updated
kuikentje [5k\]: but it's been a while since the last time report
MssrBlanc [4k\]: and that was recent
Advanced [1k\]: w can easily connect
nasnad [1d?\]: cut where?
Advanced [1k\]: l7
MssrBlanc [4k\]: >20 minutes
kuikentje [5k\]: ah ok MssrBlanc =)
change [8k\]: t6?
shinkirou [1k\]: L7 and ?
quietman [6k\]: if b takes o6 to connect w will just n5 i suppose
Snaga [1d?\]: w got k5 
LSF [10k\]: i likeL7
Advanced [1k\]: yeah
Advanced [1k\]: w can take o5
pebarefoot [10k\]: w can connect both n5 and o6 , yes
Deich [5k\]: j6 now
GoteGote [1d\]: j6 better: double threath, but white must live before
karui [6d\]: l7 dont workd now
pebarefoot [10k\]: so connect , np
bobombera [11k\]: q8
vaxou [8k\]: and after n5 or o6 for w he can att with k5 and L4 no ?
vaxou [8k\]: attak
]
;B[km]C[lubricated [5k\]: ko
Advanced [1k\]: i win
Advanced [1k\]: :D
lubricated [5k\]: w local threats though
karui [6d\]: its alive
yoof [?\]: looks like W can make an ;eye in gote in three places, N2/M4; T6;and o6,so can live after being cut like that. Right?
LSF [10k\]: how can white playd both n5 and o6?
shinkirou [1k\]: gote eye for w
LSF [10k\]: aren`t they maia
shinkirou [1k\]: b will n2 next
GoteGote [1d\]: s6 live
karui [6d\]: now t6
JanekF [1d\]: w is safe
vaxou [8k\]: he plays o6 black n5 then he plays k5
barty [1d\]: w live but this is not good for white
]
;W[lk]C[Deich [5k\]: hehe
]
;B[kl]C[barty [1d\]: black make him stronger
Advanced [1k\]: i dont get that..
]
;W[kk]C[barty [1d\]: white i mean make black stronger
lubricated [5k\]: m9 was my move ^^
Advanced [1k\]: xD
GoteGote [1d\]: n2 first?`
]
;B[mk]C[Advanced [1k\]: l8 make no sense
BAKUDAN [2d\]: k5 
BAKUDAN [2d\]: for sente
Yoseki [3k\]: reduce W libs?
shinkirou [1k\]: anyway lets see w live
]
;W[nr]C[GoteGote [1d\]: k5 bad
karui [6d\]: l8 takes away k8 lb
Jenghis [2k\]: shouldn't n5 before k5?
karui [6d\]: its good move
LSF [10k\]: w s6 bs7 w t7 b r8 and false eye, 
LSF [10k\]: what I misread
lubricated [5k\]: ow does o2 make life...
barty [1d\]: n5 for black now
lubricated [5k\]: t6
BAKUDAN [2d\]: k5 make eye
karui [6d\]: b will play o6
shinkirou [1k\]: hmmm i totally missed t6 :)
GoteGote [1d\]: n5 make eyes
Nouli [-\]: O2 ? oO
lubricated [5k\]: we have our days, shin
Advanced [1k\]: ...
Paddlefoot [1d\]: n5 threatens to make an eye or capture
karui [6d\]: no he will t6
Advanced [1k\]: w lost
Paddlefoot [1d\]: w has eyes
Advanced [1k\]: 3 stones are captured
karui [6d\]: than w have to play o6 and b gets j6 in sente
Deich [5k\]: w is alive
lubricated [5k\]: how does w get another eye
Uberdude [2d\]: b j6 is sente now
lubricated [5k\]: why didn't w just t6
Deich [5k\]: no stones captured
Advanced [1k\]: yes...
Paddlefoot [1d\]: one at S7 or at O5
Serenity13 [3k\]: white has 1 eye only, right ?
Advanced [1k\]: m6 will be captured
lubricated [5k\]: misread...
Deich [5k\]: 2 eyes! simple life and deat here
lubricated [5k\]: t6 t7 r8 t5?
barty [1d\]: m6 live
Rossk [-\]: w has 1 eye + 2 possible eyes so w will live
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 12 minutes, B: 36 minutes remaining.
Advanced [1k\]: hm
GoteGote [1d\]: n5 t6 miai for the second eye
LSF [10k\]: if white t6, black can throw in s7 and than take r8
Paddlefoot [1d\]: no
barty [1d\]: no way to capture
Chrom [3k\]: n5 k5 l4?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: m6 survives
lubricated [5k\]: yah that doesnt work
Universe [2d\]: can survive
GoteGote [1d\]: LSF if black s7 white r8
Universe [2d\]: due n5
Universe [2d\]: k5
ShadeW0lf [9k\]: it looks dead to me =\\
Deich [5k\]: e7 is big
Universe [2d\]: l4
Snaga [1d?\]: not dead
Universe [2d\]: snap back
Snaga [1d?\]: lol
lubricated [5k\]: what does white do if black t6.
rapit [4k\]: j6 t6 next??
Dumed [13k\]: T7
Advanced [1k\]: well
Nouli [-\]: B N5 -> wT6 rigth ?
Advanced [1k\]: either way white live sin gote
quietman [6k\]: not even seriously ill imo
nasnad [1d?\]: no, if n5 white connects
septa [-\]: n5 o6 k5 t6 ?
RamsesII [1k\]: O6
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;B[nf]C[lubricated [5k\]: oh you are reading w n5, then w k5?
ShadeW0lf [9k\]: q8 threathens cut then t6?
Yoseki [3k\]: haha B switches
shinkirou [1k\]: n18 might become interesting hehe
Uberdude [2d\]: i see a double attack coming
Paddlefoot [1d\]: N5 o6
Advanced [1k\]: hes saving it for a future ko
Advanced [1k\]: ^^
lubricated [5k\]: night night, my pain medication is putting me to sleep
Yoseki [3k\]: "savin' it"
shinkirou [1k\]: gnight
Chrom [3k\]: n5 o6 k5 j6 l4?
Yoseki [3k\]: sweet dreams
csgo [?\]: k5 sente to fix the weak point
]
;W[kg]C[Violence [?\]: L12- oh
GoteGote [1d\]: if i was black i will play j5 soon to delete in sente the aji?
mentat [3k?\]: o14 is mistake
Yoseki [3k\]: sure it is lol
pebarefoot [10k\]: this game seem more interesting than the other one
Advanced [1k\]: j12
lubricated [5k\]: yoseki they actually say that people have unusually vivid dreams on this medication lol
Yoseki [3k\]: thats why i said sweet dreams
nasnad [1d?\]: j5 is not the best  point to delete aji
Hagalaz [4k\]: sweet lucid dreams
karui [6d\]: t6
lubricated [5k\]: where can i get the sgf for this game?
genesis5: b should protect f14
Advanced [1k\]: b should develop his own moyo though
pebarefoot [10k\]: what are u taking , lubricated
Yoseki [3k\]: look in USGO1's information
lubricated [5k\]: i don't know, 3 different kinds of things
Advanced [1k\]: oh
csgo [?\]: j5 not good, w can poke at h6
Advanced [1k\]: t6 is huge
lubricated [5k\]: 1 for nausea, 1 for pain, 1 to prevent infection
pebarefoot [10k\]: lol , i have methadone
pebarefoot [10k\]: 5mg
change [8k\]: t6 kill w group?
shinkirou [1k\]: t6 kill now 
Advanced [1k\]: no..
lubricated [5k\]: t6 n5
karui [6d\]: it doesnt kill
Snaga [1d?\]: no
Deich [5k\]: w alive brr
Snaga [1d?\]: its alive
shinkirou [1k\]: n5 not an eye
kilroy [2d\]: t6 does not killt6 o6 n5 k5 
Brizou [2k\]: doesn't kill
lubricated [5k\]: yes it is
Advanced [1k\]: t6 just takes lots of points
Advanced [1k\]: ^^
Deich [5k\]: read deeper before posting here:)
lubricated [5k\]: n5 o6 k5
ShadeW0lf [9k\]: how does q8 not kill
karui [6d\]: if w n5 i play j6 in sente
shinkirou [1k\]: n5 o6 k5 j6 l4 k4 m4 l5 
Jenghis [2k\]: has any scoring changed?
ShadeW0lf [9k\]: it's forces q7
karui [6d\]: but b can leave it as it is...w cannot do anything there
ShadeW0lf [9k\]: then t6
mentat [3k?\]: b is done for
Advanced [1k\]: b should develop his own moyo
Deich [5k\]: e7
lubricated [5k\]: can i get the sgf of this game afterwars?
]
;B[gh]C[Rolin [2d\]: yes
GoteGote [1d\]: then t6 is double sente?
Yoseki [3k\]: google "KGS archives" lubricated
supercow [-\]: options -> save to disk
GoteGote [1d\]: becuase of k6 aji
lubricated [5k\]: ok
karui [6d\]: yes
Yoseki [3k\]: B play is very delicate
Lynx [2d\]: very good and forecful
revival [2d\]: who is leading?
Violence [?\]: White has lots of big endgame moves...
Advanced [1k\]: s18
Violence [?\]: I think the endgame is good for whtie
Advanced [1k\]: is huge end game
Violence [?\]: white^
Advanced [1k\]: thats the only big endgame is see though xD
Lynx [2d\]: l1 for w seems good
LSF [10k\]: ok, as I see at botoomline white has one eye and escapes with h6
indianayk [5d\]: n10 may be the prudent move here
]
;W[fi]C[Advanced [1k\]: hm
Advanced [1k\]: i expected g11
Yoseki [3k\]: no K% LSF
USGO1 [-\]: White has 10 minutes remaining, Black has 32 inutes remaining
yoof [?\]: Lubricated, you could clone or save the game now if you wanted, see "options"
Yoseki [3k\]: K5*
revival [2d\]: oh w might have time issues... hmm
kuikentje [5k\]: yes
kuikentje [5k\]: byo-yomi is pretty fast
supercow [-\]: or you can get it from USGO1 info
Advanced [1k\]: not to us blitzers :P
Xpc [6k\]: why doesn't t6 kill ?
Yoseki [3k\]: G11???
Violence [?\]: N11 for black now?
Violence [?\]: G11 is prolly gote
kuikentje [5k\]: heh :p, pretty fast as in "pretty fast compared to the main time"
ShihChing [8k\]: Blitzing vs. MingJiu with 20 minutes......
Yoseki [3k\]: G11 help B ruin W side
jandrews [1k\]: Xpc - W can play N5 in sente
ShadeW0lf [9k\]: why doesn't q8 kill =p
LSF [10k\]: i read it so wk5 b l4 w j6 bl5 (to keep the eye fals) and w h6 is out
Advanced [1k\]: he needs some TIME tesujis
JanekF [1d\]: w leads from the begining
Yoseki [3k\]: Q8 just waste a possible ko threat
genesis5: j12 or something like this
ShadeW0lf [9k\]: how
jandrews [1k\]: SahdeW0lf - W can play N5 in sente =)
N2M [3d\]: p8 is sente for white
pebarefoot [10k\]: 30 sec byo=yomi not so fast
ShadeW0lf [9k\]: if w n5 why not o6
sebapvar [7k\]: has the game finished already?
change [8k\]: if b t6, where is w second eye?
BAKUDAN [2d\]: p8 is dame
Violence [?\]: becayse of K5, shade.
jandrews [1k\]: n5 o6 k5
kuikentje [5k\]: it is a lot faster then their current pace
karui [6d\]: so what if it is sente...n5 for j6 is worse than terrible for w
quietman [6k\]: yes change
Xpc [6k\]: thx jandrews, I didn't see it
]
;B[lh]C[quietman [6k\]: if b t6 w will n5
Lynx [2d\]: 30 sec byo yomi is tons of time
Advanced [1k\]: omg
Hagalaz [4k\]: i thought it was 1 minute byoyomi
N2M [3d\]: k5 still there
Akaro [?\]: is o4 living?
takayanagi [4d\]: both in byo yomi?
Yoseki [3k\]: B trap is about to work...
karui [6d\]: i expected this move
Violence [?\]: no choice. Must connect
kuikentje [5k\]: takayanagi, no they're not
GoteGote [1d\]: t6 is like 1,5 point double sente?
szaloony [3k\]:  i want some pro magic
takayanagi [4d\]: ah
Arkavon [11k\]: who is winning?
kuikentje [5k\]: USGO1 [-\]: White has 10 minutes remaining, Black has 32 inutes remaining
kuikentje [5k\]: <- about 1-2 minutes ago
Lynx [2d\]: I want some strong amateur magc
nasnad [1d?\]: connect where?
takayanagi [4d\]: ic
quietman [6k\]: even game i think
BAKUDAN [2d\]: b using j6 sente to attack j9
yoyoma [1d\]: Gote why is white playing T6 sente against black?
Deich [5k\]: if b t6 w would o6 :)
]
;W[lg]C[Violence [?\]: now N11?
ech [2d\]: akaro it´s alive
Yoseki [3k\]: also nice to see good kibitz, explain about the game
Akaro [?\]: ? wher is second eye?
quietman [6k\]: n5 o6 same effect
GoteGote [1d\]: t6 for white treaten the cut at j6
]
;B[mi]C[Advanced [1k\]: we are so strong
yoyoma [1d\]: Gote:  For white to capture J7 then?
acellist1 [5k\]: kibitzers are the real winners
Advanced [1k\]: we cant even tell whos winning
Advanced [1k\]: :(
quietman [6k\]: if b saves o5 then k5 kills k6 or l5
]
;W[jh]C[Violence [?\]: White has to like... K12, I guess?
Violence [?\]: sweet
supercow [-\]: yeah, not very advanced :-)
GoteGote [1d\]: yes capture k6 or j7 in a ladder
kuikentje [5k\]: why is this necessary, violence?
Yoseki [3k\]: so B cant kill
Violence [?\]: or els black would cut
Violence [?\]: and top isn't alive yet
Chinlin: err
quietman [6k\]: so, b cannot kill
indianayk [5d\]: this is the reason why i had suggested n10 instead of f11
Akaro [?\]: hmm ok
]
;B[cr]C[Yoseki [3k\]: unless B can kill these groups combined
Rossk [-\]: w cant kill j7 in ladder cause then w dies at n4 group right?
Akaro [?\]: thx
Advanced [1k\]: oh shoot
Lynx [2d\]: the oyose is starting
Violence [?\]: Wow, I was just looking at C2
Advanced [1k\]: thats super big
Advanced [1k\]: ahh
kkly [2d\]: is M2 group alive?
PogoGo [6k\]: pro-kibitz-mindreading-move
Lynx [2d\]: then he moved there?  Golly.
Chinlin: he would need p8 to kill in ko
quietman [6k\]: m2 alive
Lynx [2d\]: crank that soldier boy.
karui [6d\]: b got many pts by attacking w with o7
shinkirou [1k\]: m2 is alive 
Advanced [1k\]: i like violence is about to make the transformation to 7p
GoteGote [1d\]: kkly: m2 group have t6 or n5 miai to live
shinkirou [1k\]: same question has been asked 30 times now :)
quietman [6k\]: yup
Advanced [1k\]: because people cant scroll up
quietman [6k\]: yup
Chinlin: i know but black p8 if white ignores he is dead
Chinlin: well
Deich [5k\]: j6 now? looks so big
Chinlin: its ko then
Yoseki [3k\]: because the kibitx is clogged by useless comments
jandrews [1k\]: scrolling up is really hard - there's so much text and it keeps moving =(
kkly [2d\]: b t6, w n5, b p1, one eye only
Violence [?\]: Or you know
Violence [?\]: you could like... read..
quietman [6k\]: no
takayanagi [4d\]: w cant j6 :/
GoteGote [1d\]: Deich j6 don't work without t6
cugel23k [5d\]: b t6 or r8 kills m2
Chinlin: b n2 would be the first move
Deich [5k\]: kkly wrong! w has k5
Yoseki [3k\]: nice for you to say, what if ppl cant read
fatprince [1k\]: w lower right dead?
N2M [3d\]: j6 that means white dead
cugel23k [5d\]: both misreading
Lynx [2d\]: no fatprince
Akaro [?\]: but after T6 b will play r8, so it isnot eye :/
Lynx [2d\]: superman! superman!
Chinlin: n2, n1, p1, t6, r8, s7, q7 ko
Yoseki [3k\]: Akaro do some tsumego
shinkirou [1k\]: yes lynx add to the confusion :)
pemula20K [12k?\]: miai
kkly [2d\]: w k5, b J6, w L4, b L5, still one eye
Chinlin: if black got p8
]
;W[br]C[quietman [6k\]: w doesnt need eye at s7
BAKUDAN [2d\]: read again kkly
GoteGote [1d\]: KKLY: t6 n5 o6 k5
quietman [6k\]: sheesh
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: d3
curse [?\]: ahahah, w can N5 then K5 then L4, cugel
cugel23k [5d\]: oh   it is alive
Advanced [1k\]: oh boy
curse [?\]: escape alive
]
;B[dq]C[shinkirou [1k\]: L2 is too weak that's why it is alive
jandrews [1k\]: Chinlin - B would have to have a stone at p8 for that ko to happen
]
;W[cp]
;B[ep]C[Chinlin: yes
]
;W[eo]C[Chinlin: thats what i said
cugel23k [5d\]: if w n5 dead but w will o6
Chinlin: all the time =)
]
;B[fp]C[Advanced [1k\]: ooo
jandrews [1k\]: ohh.  my bad - didn't catch that =)
Advanced [1k\]: white gets sente!@
Advanced [1k\]: :OOO
Chinlin: no problem
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: b1 big
curse [?\]: yes, misread, thanks
Advanced [1k\]: s18
Violence [?\]: graw
]
;W[ks]C[Advanced [1k\]: wait, doesnt that end up in gote
curse [?\]: same damezumari idea, though
Violence [?\]: Yes...
Deich [5k\]: w prepares j6 :)
Over9k [5k\]: this is not master tournament right
Violence [?\]: I just thought of this, it's like, the only yose white has here that doesn't suck
GoteGote [1d\]: l1 huge
]
;B[ir]C[Lynx [2d\]: b leads
Violence [?\]: Take S18 now?
Blockdude [3k\]: i wouldnt say so
cugel23k [5d\]: ok so b o6 is sente
quietman [6k\]: yes b leads now by about 2 or 3
Advanced [1k\]: s18 is huge
Advanced [1k\]: O_O
cugel23k [5d\]: b o6 w must t6
GoteGote [1d\]: l1 continuation is sente for white
curse [?\]: S18 not uge
quietman [6k\]: yes
curse [?\]: still a ko at the end
BAKUDAN [2d\]: s18 is huge
Advanced [1k\]: what ko?
Lynx [2d\]: s18 is large
cugel23k [5d\]: s18 not big
Lynx [2d\]: not huge
]
;W[in]C[curse [?\]: S19 at end if w takes it as sente
]
;B[jo]C[Violence [?\]: WHOA
]
;W[sn]C[Advanced [1k\]: O_O
supercow [-\]: wow
Lynx [2d\]: yes now w proves he is alive
Lynx [2d\]: that was tesuji
shinkirou [1k\]: pretty natural move sequence
GoisLife [2k\]: Wow
Lever [12k\]: to take t6 in sente?
shinkirou [1k\]: what's so surprising ?
N2M [3d\]: but gote
Lynx [2d\]: Wow
Violence [?\]: how is this gote
supercow [-\]: well, w got gote
Blockdude [3k\]: at least that sobered up SE
Lever [12k\]: that was sente, no? b must defend j7
curse [?\]: not gote, w has aji with H6 now?
GoteGote [1d\]: sente because h7
Akagi316 [7k\]: h6
Violence [?\]: White can H6 now
Advanced [1k\]: yeah, not gote
pelister [10k\]: if w attack j6 then b have chance to attack m6... by the way it happend..
Violence [?\]: black needs a move
Rossk [-\]: this is very sente
Yoseki [3k\]: at least no more M@ questions :+}
fatprince [1k\]: why would b let that happen...
jandrews [1k\]: hmm.  feels like B shouldn't have let this happen, yeah
]
;B[gm]C[kkly [2d\]: J6 is a gift to b
Advanced [1k\]: because b didnt t6 when he should have?
genesis5: cut at g14 is big now
N2M [3d\]: this strenthen e8 and d7
barty [1d\]: still black easy win
Rossk [-\]: what, not let it happen? been there very long..
supercow [-\]: hmm, I see
Akagi316 [7k\]: yeah b wins
supercow [-\]: k5 would be sente for b
elohimmeth [2k\]: s18 first..
revival [2d\]: game is quite close
Advanced [1k\]: after s18?
jandrews [1k\]: B could have done T6 and connected at J6 in sente - he let W choose which connection he made for him.
Advanced [1k\]: thats like 5 points
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: b + 7ish
Yoseki [3k\]: but B got big gote before
Uberdude [2d\]: i think b is at least 5 ahead
Violence [?\]: Hmmm
Uberdude [2d\]: 5-10
Violence [?\]: does G6 work here?
curse [?\]: w can G8 now, then G13?  that aji is on
shinkirou [1k\]: g8
nasnad [1d?\]: why G6?
Bubarik [4k\]: f18 for white mb, or s18 
]
;W[gf]C[Violence [?\]: I'm prolly looking at th wrong area
Advanced [1k\]: omg
Violence [?\]: ah, this is huge sente
curse [?\]: hehehe, I thought this did not work
BonoVox [3k\]: lets see how strong is a pro in yose
Advanced [1k\]: game over
Akaro [?\]: omg komi 7,5??
Advanced [1k\]: super tesuji
Violence [?\]: huh? this is just sente yose
Advanced [1k\]: oh :(
gougou [1d\]: this eats stuff
Firebolt [5k\]: nice move
shinkirou [1k\]: what does this do ?
barty [1d\]: big one
barty [1d\]: and work
Blockdude [3k\]: good job by white
Lynx [2d\]: clever by w
Bubarik [4k\]: kills 2 stones
barty [1d\]: not only yose move
N2M [3d\]: very very big
barty [1d\]: this make game for white
Violence [?\]: This doesn't eat anything, it's a sente tesuji...
GeZe8 [19k\]: How much time is left? It must be low...
Bubarik [4k\]: i wonder if f18 was better
barty [1d\]: now is even
Blockdude [3k\]: no it doesnt
curse [?\]: what is Eric's handle on KGS?  TheOne?
nasnad [1d?\]: it eats
Gueust [7k\]: don't unsertand it;...
Blockdude [3k\]: Pianist
supercow [-\]: yes, and Pianist
Advanced [1k\]: what are you talking about
curse [?\]: oh, thanks
Bubarik [4k\]: east, or black falls apart
Advanced [1k\]: black cant connect
idiot2 [3d\]: f18 if b connects
indianayk [5d\]: this may be an upset move!
N2M [3d\]: f18 dont work
Xorax [3d\]: hmm
Snaga [1d?\]: nice move
barty [1d\]: f18 dont work
idiot2 [3d\]: ups
Rolin [2d\]: try g18
barty [1d\]: g14 just work
curse [?\]: he might beat pro here ...
nasnad [1d?\]: h14 if connects
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 1 minute remaining, B: 24 minutes
GoteGote [1d\]: 56 + komi for white,  62 for black
LeT63 [-\]: does it work at all?
Violence [?\]: Oh whoa
]
;B[jg]C[mentat [3k?\]: hora
Uberdude [2d\]: nifty
Blockdude [3k\]: j13
shinkirou [1k\]: now that's a nice move
neonaifu [12k\]: Half point lead?
revival [2d\]: w should capture i think
GoteGote [1d\]: close game
Blockdude [3k\]: alright move, but not subtle at all
]
;W[gg]C[Adoom [6k\]: b resign soon
Advanced [1k\]: O_O
Violence [?\]: Yeah... capture is fine
neonaifu [12k\]: O_O
curse [?\]: "show me"
barty [1d\]: wow
Violence [?\]: because white has L16
Uberdude [2d\]: bring it!
N2M [3d\]: hard to say anything
barty [1d\]: white live ??
mentat [3k?\]: the question is: black alive?
Yoseki [3k\]: more like W has no time and has to try this
N2M [3d\]: black think too fast
GoteGote [1d\]: l16 sente for black
Uberdude [2d\]: no
Violence [?\]: No, I don't think it's a matter of time
BAKUDAN [2d\]: b alive
Uberdude [2d\]: L16 w could just L12
Over9k [5k\]: ming can just use slam stone tesuji and mess up the stones
Rossk [-\]: everybody is alive
Violence [?\]: it's not too hard to live
barty [1d\]: USGO are they in byo ??
GoteGote [1d\]: l16 l12 n14
Advanced [1k\]: wow
Advanced [1k\]: white wins?
nasnad [1d?\]: b in pain
Blockdude [3k\]: might
barty [1d\]: how much time left for players ??
kuikentje [5k\]: I think barty, not yet, but white doesn't have much main time left
Advanced [1k\]: w 1 min b 20 min
Lynx [2d\]: what kind of facial expressions are they showing?  What's the human element?
elohimmeth [2k\]: m19 ?
Advanced [1k\]: lol
Pizat19 [7k\]: lol
Advanced [1k\]: see... i told you blitzing works
barty [1d\]: hmmm see
Advanced [1k\]: :P
ShihChing [8k\]: intent
pemula20K [12k?\]: score guestimate said w win
Blockdude [3k\]: USGO1: black seems to be very angry right now, while white is air-guitarring
DreamN [5k\]: 7p so weak
shinkirou [1k\]: haha
curse [?\]: which is pretty meaningless, pem
Blockdude [3k\]: that answer your question, lynx?
PogoGo [6k\]: 8d so strong
change [8k\]: lol
penguin [?\]: oooo, soooo strooooong
joelw [12k\]: this is a fighting game
jandrews [1k\]: B must be getting tired.  He played K13 quickly and now he's thinking a lot when W made the obvious answer
Lynx [2d\]: It's a start, Blockdude.  It's a start
Akagi316 [7k\]: 7p lose to 8d? =O
joelw [12k\]: going kgs style
USGO1 [-\]: Both players seem calm, but intent on counting.
pemula20K [12k?\]: where p <d than 7p <8d
]
;B[kh]C[Over9k [5k\]: black sees that the move is over 9000 and crushes the stone in his hand
Gueust [7k\]: nothing is done quickly ^^
Gueust [7k\]: They know wht they do ;)
Blockdude [3k\]: l176
]
;W[nb]C[Gueust [7k\]: so rest calm, and look.
ShihChing [8k\]: I remember seeing MingJiu with his head in his hands, sleeping in exhaustion at Jujo tourney..
bigben79 [7d\]: M17
Violence [?\]: I would play S18 exchange before O18
Violence [?\]: That was the tournament Mingjiu was jetlagged, right?
pemula20K [12k?\]: not again 7p
Violence [?\]: I was at that tournament
ShihChing [8k\]: Could be.. You were? Me too.
Paddlefoot [1d\]: why not play s18 there?
Uberdude [2d\]: m17 kill?
Lynx [2d\]: it's not big enough yet
Advanced [1k\]: are there any big events in the us besides congress?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: s18 would have been sente
nasnad [1d?\]: m17 doesnt kill
GeorgeW [-\]: Every 2 years there is the Oza Tournament
MssrBlanc [4k\]: what do you mean by big? 200 competitors?
GeorgeW [-\]: that's pretty big
Blockdude [3k\]: but it reduces
MssrBlanc [4k\]: or 50?
ToughNerd [12k\]: where did b play last
fly [1k\]: b ahead by 5?
Advanced [1k\]: like, one worth flying around for :P
Advanced [1k\]: i guess 100+
Paddlefoot [1d\]: cut at L12
GeorgeW [-\]: Oza yes
Advanced [1k\]: when is that?
GoteGote [1d\]: r19 looks still gote for black
pemula20K [12k?\]: there is not much point left in the yose , b probably resign
GeorgeW [-\]: Next one is in 2010
Advanced [1k\]: >_>...
bigben79 [7d\]: H15 first, w has defend the M17 cut
gougou [1d\]: now k9 looks rather thin
bigben79 [7d\]: b plays H15 
Advanced [1k\]: h15 is huge
Advanced [1k\]: yes
bigben79 [7d\]: w has to defend M17 cut
curse [?\]: K9 is fine
bigben79 [7d\]: O18 seems a mistake to me
joelw [12k\]: j12?
gougou [1d\]: probably w will have to give up k12 to give k9 some TLC
Paddlefoot [1d\]: o18 seems wrong to me too
nasnad [1d?\]: why defend m17?
Advanced [1k\]: where should it be?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: at least play s18 e.t.c in sente first
bigben79 [7d\]: M17, N19, N14, b captures the 5 w stones
shinkirou [1k\]: n18 probably
rouflaket [4k\]: maybe because B cant defend S18 efficiently and would remove ko threat?
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: m19
nasnad [1d?\]: really?
Advanced [1k\]: lalala
kurosama [2d\]: why not P19 then M16 ?
Lynx [2d\]: B is not reading fire stones
nasnad [1d?\]: m17,n17,n19,r19, and then n16
N2M [3d\]: how about m16
Advanced [1k\]: *recounts board*
kurosama [2d\]: i agree N2M :)
Jenghis [2k\]: tell us the score advanced?
velobici [?\]: Black has about 65 points ?
Advanced [1k\]: yep
Advanced [1k\]: about 65
Over9k [5k\]: aga rules...
Advanced [1k\]: f5 area is huge
bigben79 [7d\]: ok, M17, M19, w lives
Deich [5k\]: close game
bigben79 [7d\]: the correct sequence should be N14, M14, M19
bigben79 [7d\]: b captures 5 w stones
MssrBlanc [4k\]: I think the Cotsen has gotten three digits before
nasnad [1d?\]: n17 only threatens seki i think
Paddlefoot [1d\]: M16 seemed a good suggestion
Violence [?\]: n14 m14 m19 l16 ?
nasnad [1d?\]: m17 i mean
GoteGote [1d\]: l14 can be white sente?
MssrBlanc [4k\]: (back a subject--big tournaments)
velobici [?\]: White has about 58 points + komi ?? (48 on left, 5 on top, 5 on right)
Paddlefoot [1d\]: aaah
Paddlefoot [1d\]: doesn't work
bigben79 [7d\]: L16: b kills by ko
Akaro [?\]: komi 7,5
Violence [?\]: Which ko?
Advanced [1k\]: is cotsen this year?
Violence [?\]: I... can't see it
bigben79 [7d\]: M15
Violence [?\]: oh, that one
genesis5: white winning by komi actually I'd say
Advanced [1k\]: o-O...
Javaness [-\]: sneaky
bigben79 [7d\]: b should play H15 first
Advanced [1k\]: i have no idea how you're reading that
Advanced [1k\]: *tries to read out a ko*
]
;B[oa]
;W[pa]C[kurosama [2d\]: hehe
nouziller [2k\]: ayaa
Violence [?\]: This p19 loses points
Violence [?\]: black better be resolute
kurosama [2d\]: m16 now ?
Rossk [-\]: b will kill whole thing maybe?
barty [1d\]: m19 firsth
gentil [6d\]: losing by 1 point or 15 point does not change the outcome
jandrews [1k\]: I think BigBen is right - M15 works
barty [1d\]: but yes m16 
joelw [12k\]: losing by .5 does tho
Advanced [1k\]: -_-
jandrews [1k\]: it threatens to either cut off M13 or kill I think?
pemula20K [12k?\]: b  81  w 83.5
shinkirou [1k\]: why b pause?
joelw [12k\]: prob it's to think
shinkirou [1k\]: this should be obvious reply
Advanced [1k\]: well
nasnad [1d?\]: still is only seki as best for black i believe
GoteGote [1d\]: m15 n14? then white has l14 sente to make a second eye with l15?
Advanced [1k\]: b reads it out
Advanced [1k\]: and he rereads it out
Advanced [1k\]: until he finds a way to kill
Advanced [1k\]: :D
Violence [?\]: wait
jandrews [1k\]: ohh.  right.  seki - not kill
shinkirou [1k\]: hehe 
Paddlefoot [1d\]: if he knew he wanted P19 you'd think he'd have an answer for q19
Advanced [1k\]: no
Over9k [5k\]: lol
Yoseki [3k\]: he double-checks
Advanced [1k\]: he was expecting w ot o19
fsong2 [1d\]: ?
Robinsa [5k\]: How much time do they got left?
Advanced [1k\]: >_>
joelw [12k\]: not necessarily, might've been reading r19
Deich [5k\]: pemula w 70 max. only count safe points^
pemula20K [12k?\]: maybe there is forbiden tesuji that will apear
SupRAS [4k\]: b g9
Shock1989 [4k\]: m17 don't work?
Over9k [5k\]: Ming Jiu used roar. USGO1 ran away scared.
Advanced [1k\]: n19 doesnt work
]
;B[ji]C[kuikentje [5k\]: hahaha :p
Advanced [1k\]: wow
Paddlefoot [1d\]: ????
pemula20K [12k?\]: i count until end point easy yose
Advanced [1k\]: b going for the big kill
Advanced [1k\]: roar
Deich [5k\]: wrong idea pemula^
Violence [?\]: ack...
Violence [?\]: white can't respond here
Over9k [5k\]: USGO1 not affected.
Yoseki [3k\]: P19 probe?
Advanced [1k\]: except h9 is sente
GoteGote [1d\]: i think l14 sente saver white here then now he must live...
trixxer [3k\]: g8 now?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: it is related
shinkirou [1k\]: hehe kill what though?
Yoseki [3k\]: kill 6 stones!
]
;W[rb]
;B[rc]C[USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: just entered Byo-yomi, B: 10 minutes left
Advanced [1k\]: wow
mike2096 [5k\]: w has one tesuji left.... the escape tesuji
Advanced [1k\]: id teunki that
Advanced [1k\]: h9 is huge right now no?
goomikko [1k\]: how long byo-yomi?
Violence [?\]: Mmm... white has enough time to read..
]
;W[qa]C[Jenghis [2k\]: Why s18 now?
]
;B[sd]C[kuikentje [5k\]: 5 times 30 seconds
Violence [?\]: This seems like the final decisive fight
cugel23k [5d\]: h9?    b h10
kurosama [2d\]: h10 bigger :)
shinkirou [1k\]: don't think k9 can be killed
Violence [?\]: 5 times 60 seconds, I think
nasnad [1d?\]: s18  was time tesuji maybe
Violence [?\]: Me neither, but if you were against 7p, would you think otherwise?
kuikentje [5k\]: no, I'm pretty sure byo-yomi is 30 seconds only
joelw [12k\]: g8
shinkirou [1k\]: no because go isn't based on chance
Nouli [-\]: W M17 is not enough ?
]
;W[gk]C[bigben79 [7d\]: b m15 still captures the 5 w stones
Advanced [1k\]: wow
goomikko [1k\]: s18 was sente points
baltimore [2d?\]: its 5 x 1min
kurosama [2d\]: kill now :p
cugel23k [5d\]: b will take m13
Advanced [1k\]: b missed good chance
pemula20K [12k?\]: w are very good at yose but again 7p , who know?
pebarefoot [10k\]: 5-30 by-yomi
Snaga [1d?\]: m19  what will w do?
Blockdude [3k\]: n18
nouziller [2k\]: hard to play good yose in byoyomi
Advanced [1k\]: *waits for the sequence*
joelw [12k\]: go is based on community chest
pemula20K [12k?\]: L16 not work?
Violence [?\]: Ah, there's also H6...
Yoseki [3k\]: *head explodes*
cugel23k [5d\]: m19 n19 m17 l19
GoteGote [1d\]: m19 n19 live
Rossk [-\]: i think b should n14 to kill n13..
jankenpopp: head asplode?!
Lynx [2d\]: W seems to have 2 point lead!
cugel23k [5d\]: m15 for b
kurosama [2d\]: m16 or m15 ?
Violence [?\]: there's so much aji in top right...
Blockdude [3k\]: USGO1: both players take a 1-hour break
Snaga [1d?\]: yes i see
Advanced [1k\]: g12 was so disastrous for black
AndrewY [10k\]: N14 won't kill N13 unless black could kill the whole top.
Violence [?\]: augh... if they break now, I can't sleep....
Jenghis [2k\]: noo
Beanbag [2d\]: they are back now arent they?
kurosama [2d\]: M16 is vital point 
joelw [12k\]: h12 looks nice
nasnad [1d?\]: if m15 white connects¨
barty [1d\]: b1 now
pemula20K [12k?\]: i think L12 work
Yoseki [3k\]: W says "look aliens" and steal one B stones
barty [1d\]: or f5 firsth
nasnad [1d?\]: black doesnt take anything
USGO1 [-\]: no break yet, I think they are intent on finishing.
pemula20K [12k?\]: L16
beeko [-\]: Can they look at the board on their break?
USGO1 [-\]: no.
shinkirou [1k\]: go m16 :)
GoteGote [1d\]: white threaten to catch j7?
revival [2d\]: g9 nice move
Violence [?\]: I think they both must leave the room
gorka [2d\]: beeko they don't need...
supercow [-\]: they won't need to =)
porkdog [7k\]: they can just go to kgs during their break
]
;B[la]C[mike2096 [5k\]: lol
BALLZ [4k\]: are they playing in the ING cup too?
beeko [-\]: Lol
porkdog [7k\]: who needs board
BlueMental [13k\]: or their minds
]
;W[ma]C[jankenpopp: yes ballz
pemula20K [12k?\]: and read the comment
t0Strong4u [-\]: lol
Beanbag [2d\]: woah
Violence [?\]: 'guess this is just sente endgame?
BALLZ [4k\]: must be tiring playing 2 games like these each day -.-
Yoseki [3k\]: ko?
kurosama [2d\]: m15 now ?
kkly [2d\]: w die?
AndrewY [10k\]: M17? xD
theremin [1k\]: no
Blockdude [3k\]: no
Tagir [6k?\]: m17?
Blockdude [3k\]: m17 wont kill
Firebolt [5k\]: they are obliged to drink themselves to amnesia during the break ;)
wijii [-\]: yeah alive
theremin [1k\]: W N17 gives eye
shinkirou [1k\]: m16
cugel23k [5d\]: b trying to eat m13
revival [2d\]: capturing the 5 stones is gote and not that big
Beanbag [2d\]: oh i see. eye at n18
theremin [1k\]: :)
Lynx [2d\]: seems pretty huge to me
joelw [12k\]: m17 looks good
Violence [?\]: there's no problem now
AndrewY [10k\]: M17 puts into ko though. xD
revival [2d\]: h6 seems just as big
bigben79 [7d\]: M15
pemula20K [12k?\]: in this end game that 5 are big
wijii [-\]: m17 l19 l16 n17 
GeZe8 [19k\]: How much time left does black have?
Tagir [6k?\]: m17 n17 ko
kurosama [2d\]: m17 l19 n17 l16 
GoteGote [1d\]: yep and white have oppotrunity to catch j7 stone i think
Beanbag [2d\]: no. m17 still alive
pemula20K [12k?\]: 15pt or so
amakusa [8k\]: M17?
Violence [?\]: m15 n14 m17 l19 m16 n17 is points in sente
Beanbag [2d\]: n17 no play
USGO1 [-\]: Black has only 5 minutes remaining now.
mike2096 [5k\]: M15
holynec [2k?\]: how about white
shinkirou [1k\]: go mingjiu 
Beanbag [2d\]: m17 l19 n17 l16 so alive
shinkirou [1k\]: pro powa
]
;B[le]C[kurosama [2d\]: yes
t0Strong4u [-\]: wow
holynec [2k?\]: bigben wins
t0Strong4u [-\]: yeah
Violence [?\]: Meanwhile white has large endgame at J2, H6, and G16..
kurosama [2d\]: but M15 cuts or kills
Makadoudou [5d\]: seems w is winning
bigben79 [7d\]: M15 cuts
Violence [?\]: n14 
]
;W[ld]C[Sponge7 [3d\]: <
]
;B[mf]C[Violence [?\]: Whoa, it cuts?
gorka [2d\]: nice
kkly [2d\]: big fish
Advanced [1k\]: game over
Violence [?\]: oh, right....
Javaness [-\]: ouch
AndrewY [10k\]: Ah. Yes. Did not see that. xD
]
;W[he]C[Lynx [2d\]: owch big cookie for black
barty [1d\]: seems white lose 
Sponge7 [3d\]: pain
Lynx [2d\]: big cookie
shinkirou [1k\]: gotta hurt
GoteGote [1d\]: m15 capture 5 stoes, but white will have sente to h6
amakusa [8k\]: ouch
Violence [?\]: oh
jankenpopp: white good!
Advanced [1k\]: so whoever said that like 10 minutes ago
barty [1d\]: to small
Violence [?\]: there's a sente...
Makadoudou [5d\]: ok, nevermind
barty [1d\]: ignore
Prodigious [4d\]: m15 n14 m17 l19 n17, violence ;>
cugel23k [5d\]: j12
GoteGote [1d\]: or that
]
;B[gd]C[mike2096 [5k\]: b1  any body?
Violence [?\]: ah, right, not an eye
wijii [-\]: awsome
barty [1d\]: b1 only black
Violence [?\]: my bad
barty [1d\]: its black sente
Beanbag [2d\]: b1 nobody
pebarefoot [10k\]: my eyelids are at half-mact now
Violence [?\]: J12
barty [1d\]: for white big gote
pebarefoot [10k\]: *mast*
mike2096 [5k\]: h8  is 1 point in sente? 
kurosama [2d\]: b1 huge
Jenghis [2k\]: Pepsi pebarefoot
pebarefoot [10k\]: grn tea
Advanced [1k\]: isnt h14 obvious >_>
Uberdude [2d\]: if white b1 it means black made yose mistka
]
;W[hf]C[GoteGote [1d\]: h6 can escape?
Uberdude [2d\]: h6 h7 
bigben79 [7d\]: H14, J12, F7, w wins
barty [1d\]: j12
GoteGote [1d\]: h6 h7 g6
Advanced [1k\]: i think w resign
sorminator [3d\]: f7?
USGO1 [-\]: white only has three byo-yomi periods left.
revival [2d\]: w is winning i think
mike2096 [5k\]: r8  is point for b later
Violence [?\]: recounting...
Violence [?\]: white looks slightly ahead....
Blockdude [3k\]: sente
Over9k [5k\]: but if black doesn't defend n13 can live
Jenghis [2k\]: even after the kill?
gorka [2d\]: f7 avoiding h6 I guess
]
;B[ih]C[yoof [?\]: ooh f7 is cool, I like that
Blockdude [3k\]: l15 m14 l14 l16 k14 \\
]
;W[hm]
;B[hl]C[barty [1d\]: wow
]
;W[gl]
;B[hn]C[bigben79 [7d\]: the M13 groups is not so big, and M19 is a mistake, and H15 is huge
]
;W[hk]C[Lynx [2d\]: I'm not sure if I understand these moves
Lynx [2d\]: too complex for a simple 2d
gorka [2d\]: which move ?
AndrewY [10k\]: timesuji? xD
revival [2d\]: b choice here
mike2096 [5k\]: pro yose.... is ...amazing
Violence [?\]: g18 f18 h17 h16 j16 h18 k17 g17 l15?????
Sakata [3d\]: h17 - g18 workis for W
amakusa [8k\]: that's why their play and you're not lynk :)
yoof [?\]: I think W is just going for F7 with a different order of moves.
barty [1d\]: but still white is to short
cugel23k [5d\]: w f7
amakusa [8k\]: they'r*
gorka [2d\]: which move lynx ?
Lynx [2d\]: most all :P
oernie [15k\]: bj5
Uberdude [2d\]: was f7 directly better?
revival [2d\]: i think b f7 here
mike2096 [5k\]: h7 f7 f6 e7 e6 d6 f5 d5 b1 ?
bigben79 [7d\]: H7 a misreading. F7 is better
gorka [2d\]: j12 was in order to avoid l15 conncetion
JanekF [1d\]: I don't know how it have happened
beeko [-\]: How do oyu guys typer the location so fast?
JanekF [1d\]: w was leading
GoteGote [1d\]: h17 nice for white
JanekF [1d\]: and he lost
gorka [2d\]: ctrl + location
mike2096 [5k\]: ctrl + left click
beeko [-\]: Oh ctrl
holynec [2k?\]: hold control and click on the intersection
BALLZ [4k\]: ctrl + mouseclick
]
;B[io]C[beeko [-\]: Cool
SpiderWeb [3d\]: who has a better chance to win ?
amakusa [8k\]: blue 
Violence [?\]: argh, nevermind, my sequences are too risky for white
mike2096 [5k\]: me
pemula20K [12k?\]: w 78.5 b 88 my count
Blockdude [3k\]: h17 very good for white
]
;W[fm]C[cugel23k [5d\]: w f7 b e6
yoof [?\]: oh cool, I hadn't known about that control click thing. very handy.
Deich [5k\]: pemula: again count safe points
]
;B[en]C[mike2096 [5k\]: b1 now?
Violence [?\]: tesuji
AndrewY [10k\]: Interesting. I always just typed them in.
Lynx [2d\]: not as big
]
;W[gn]C[AndrewY [10k\]: b1 is too small for now.
limestruck [1k\]: b +5.5
BALLZ [4k\]: most useful is shift+mouseclick when reviewing imo
cugel23k [5d\]: ko?
]
;B[hm]C[GoteGote [1d\]: h17 don't work i think
bigben79 [7d\]: B1 worths 10 point
bigben79 [7d\]: s
joelw [12k\]: h17 looks good to me
Blockdude [3k\]: most useful is alt+f4
GoteGote [1d\]: oh no sorry
beeko [-\]: LOL
amakusa [8k\]: LOL
wijii [-\]: h17 h16 j16 k17 
]
;W[em]C[pemula20K [12k?\]: w ( 66+5) b (77+10)
cugel23k [5d\]: b1
Advanced [1k\]: whats going onnn
Violence [?\]: this move was blindspot for me
GoteGote [1d\]: h17 just take two stone or invade
Advanced [1k\]: how about f6?
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: right
WoolyMaCha [6k\]:   What does the champion wins in this US Open?
]
;B[fn]
;W[dn]C[Advanced [1k\]: 2000
joelw [12k\]: h17 h16 j16 k17 f18
beeko [-\]: Respect
Beanbag [2d\]: h17 is gote
]
;B[fo]C[bigben79 [7d\]: w wins if he takes B1
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: gote desu
Beanbag [2d\]: h17 h18 
Sakata [3d\]: wins thre us chompionship, wooly
Deich [5k\]: b1
cugel23k [5d\]: l15
Violence [?\]: H17?
WoolyMaCha [6k\]: US $2000?
]
;W[ka]C[Violence [?\]: oh
amakusa [8k\]: ZImbabwee $1,000,000
Violence [?\]: this is sente
pemula20K [12k?\]: c19
Beanbag [2d\]: h17 h18 h16 
cugel23k [5d\]: l16
Advanced [1k\]: what does h17 have to do with anything
Beanbag [2d\]: not a whole lot advanced
oernie [15k\]: $ to low
Blockdude [3k\]: h17 h16 j16 
Blockdude [3k\]: k17 
]
;B[kd]C[cugel23k [5d\]: w should l16
bigben79 [7d\]: L19 is not understandable
Blockdude [3k\]: and STUFF
Beanbag [2d\]: why does b need to go h16 after h17?
Lynx [2d\]: I got on a plane to cleveland.
]
;W[bs]C[Firebolt [5k\]: isn't it more like Zm$2,000,000,000 now, after they cut 5 zeros off?
]
;B[gi]C[cugel23k [5d\]: r8
Beanbag [2d\]: b wil do h18 instead
manestor [7k\]: d19 big!
joelw [12k\]: h16 looks good still
Violence [?\]: What're you doing in cleveland, Lynx?
wijii [-\]: woah million what??
]
;W[js]
;B[gj]C[pemula20K [12k?\]: zimbabwe rule
]
;W[fj]C[Hu [3k\]: Ten zeroes, but please focus on the game instead.
beeko [-\]: They get a million for a Go game WHat
Javaness [-\]: tell sweety to come online and ban people
KGSPlus [-\]: please keep comments related to the game
]
;B[is]C[Advanced [1k\]: SE shows b + 20
]
;W[ds]C[Hikaruwaya [3k\]: eric lui = Pianist?
Advanced [1k\]: or something like that
Advanced [1k\]: yes
theremin [1k\]: ye
Deich [5k\]: b wins easily, wha a pitty
theremin [1k\]: s
beeko [-\]: Second time you said they KGsplus?
beeko [-\]: *that
]
;B[ol]C[Blockdude [3k\]: b did not win easily
]
;W[ql]C[nasnad [1d?\]: b wins?
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: buthe won...
Lynx [2d\]: b leads?
]
;B[gb]C[Ukasuhs [2k?\]: b + at least 10 now
manestor [7k\]: i don't undersant why not d19 
revival [2d\]: b is not leading by 10
Nano [3k\]: ya I think b wins
]
;W[cs]
;B[er]C[xedover [7k?\]: white has 3 byo-yomi periods left, black still has all 5
bigben79 [7d\]: G18 should be F18
gorka [2d\]: manestor because it's not important move
]
;W[da]
;B[ea]
;W[ca]C[bigben79 [7d\]: or some where else
bigben79 [7d\]: C19 better than D19
]
;B[lj]C[Advanced [1k\]: se usually isnt off by more than 10
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: q8 
mike2096 [5k\]:  b + sick yose vartions.... i cant believe how good his yose is
barty [1d\]: close game
fly [1k\]: w has 75?
Lynx [2d\]: o15
GoteGote [1d\]: White 66 + komi Black:  72
]
;W[hg]C[idiot2 [3d\]: this is aga rules ?
t0Strong4u [-\]: how much is komi
Lynx [2d\]: 7.5
Javaness [-\]: yes
]
;B[do]C[Ukasuhs [2k?\]: h13> m10 right?
]
;W[ig]C[GoteGote [1d\]: no black 82 ( 10 capture)
]
;B[jf]C[mike2096 [5k\]: k2  for black right?
idiot2 [3d\]: thx
]
;W[kj]C[ikami [1d\]: how we count with AGA rules ?
t0Strong4u [-\]: lol
fly [1k\]: ah, b wins by the extra captures!
kalisti [8k?\]: territory + livng stones
]
;B[ki]C[kuikentje [5k\]: AGA rules is area counting
ikami [1d\]: and capture ?
Uberdude [2d\]: bigben sure w wins?
]
;W[hd]C[Chris929 [14k\]: b wins
Over9k [5k\]: no capture
]
;B[hc]C[Uberdude [2d\]: i got b
pemula20K [12k?\]: w76.5 b82 my quick count
]
;W[so]C[bigben79 [7d\]: not sure. too many mistakes from both
]
;B[pl]C[ikami [1d\]: AGA rules = chinese rules
]
;W[pm]C[Lynx [2d\]: o15 seems neccesary
mike2096 [5k\]: k2 ?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: q8 bigger
]
;B[jr]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: b got it
]
;W[ls]C[kalisti [8k?\]: add your living stones to your score, or adding killed stones to your score has the same result most of the time
Lynx [2d\]: if b is pro, why not easy win?  Is he a bit older so not original strength?
]
;B[de]
;W[df]C[revival [2d\]: b is quite strong, but so is w
nasnad [1d?\]: because white is strong too
fly [1k\]: Lynx: apparently you didn't watch his first round!
Yoseki [3k\]: maybe this is easy by pro standards
]
;B[jc]C[BALLZ [4k\]: KGS students make him dull.
]
;W[lc]C[AndrewY [10k\]: Maybe b wants to make it an interesting game?
pemula20K [12k?\]: w are pro without certificate
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: b is like 55 yrs old
mate105 [2d\]: yes, white is also strong
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: who?
]
;B[nn]
;W[mo]C[Sakata [3d\]: seems like easy win for B
beeko [-\]: 55 is not old
deft [4d\]: B+6.5 I think
bigben79 [7d\]: b wins
Jenghis [2k\]: black j11 worth much?
wijii [-\]: 8d and 9d have been known o beat pros ><
Lynx [2d\]: b won
]
;B[co]C[Yoseki [3k\]: maybe his style is not flashy as Jujo...
]
;W[bo]
;B[eo]C[wijii [-\]: to*
ikami [1d\]: go seigen is 100yo +
amakusa [8k\]: go seigen 93
nouziller [2k\]: winning by 8.5 is comfortable winning
]
;W[ne]
;B[oe]C[Firebolt [5k\]: was born in 1914
]
;W[sp]C[goggle [11k\]: is still lives? > go seigen
jandrews [1k\]: go seigen gets bonus years for being cool thoug
pemula20K [12k?\]: how old hikaru shindo
amakusa [8k\]: lol
wijii [-\]: hes still alive?!
fly [1k\]: does somebody have  a link to the website with the results?
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: yes
Firebolt [5k\]: yes
wijii [-\]: learn something everyday...
]
;B[es]C[Firebolt [5k\]: there was a sequence of him in the movie wu qing yuan
]
;W[sq]C[Violence [?\]: T3
]
;B[sr]C[kalisti [8k?\]: no, he lives on as a ghost haunting a little japanese boy with funny hair
gentil [6d\]: c5 small
Cassis0 [3d\]: j11 one point
Ho [5k\]: p1 
]
;W[lp]C[GoteGote [1d\]: White 71+ komi Black: 83
]
;B[kp]C[pemula20K [12k?\]: f9 point?
GeZe8 [19k\]: How much time does black have left?
GoteGote [1d\]: B+ 4.5?
Advanced [1k\]: t18
wijii [-\]: how much is komi
barty [1d\]: no
]
;W[os]C[xedover [7k?\]: 3 periods for white and 5 for black
pemula20K [12k?\]: k19
]
;B[sb]
;W[ra]
;B[ja]C[AndrewY [10k\]: Komi is 7.5
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: komi 7.5
]
;W[ii]C[Violence [?\]: Black wins by 5.5, I think
Beanbag [2d\]: nice last point
pemula20K [12k?\]: very close 
nasnad [1d?\]: f8?
mike2096 [5k\]: white loses f8  or f9  as a point ?
bigben79 [7d\]: H7, L19, C19 are all mistake in end game. w was leading at one point but lost it at the end
pemula20K [12k?\]: b+3.5
]
;B[ij]
;W[hi]C[Hikaruwaya [3k\]: eh??
]
;B[hj]
;W[hh]
;B[jj]C[Advanced [1k\]: wow...?
xedover [7k?\]: black now has only 4 periods left
beeko [-\]: What?
DeepTuna [2k\]: oh my
Beanbag [2d\]: wow 2 points
Paddlefoot [1d\]: many endgame mistakes
Paddlefoot [1d\]: p1 double gote
Paddlefoot [1d\]: T18 reverse sente
mike2096 [5k\]: f8  sente
ikami [1d\]: sente
]
;W[fk]C[Beanbag [2d\]: no
Violence [?\]: E9
]
;B[jh]C[Lynx [2d\]: the show is over.
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: I was scared for a second ^^
]
;W[la]C[Beanbag [2d\]: oh it is 1.5 point gain
Advanced [1k\]: calculatiOn
]
;B[ps]
;W[sa]
;B[sc]
;W[id]
;B[mm]
;W[lm]
;B[ml]C[Advanced [1k\]: and the final result...
xedover [7k?\]: counting now
Advanced [1k\]: *drumroll*
amakusa [8k\]: So, did Akari-chan ever improve in Hikaru no Go?
USGO1 [-\]: The players are counting the game now...
pemula20K [12k?\]: aga rule
carpenter [7k\]: sorry. but what or who is SE?
Lynx [2d\]: what does SE say?
amakusa [8k\]: Se is god
barty [1d\]: B + 5.5
softstorm [1k\]: b win
DeepTuna [2k\]: B wins in SE
Nouli [-\]: B +
wijii [-\]: se komi is .5
mike2096 [5k\]: se is score estimat
Chris929 [14k\]: Bwins
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: learn to count by yourself
goggle [11k\]: SE forcasts score
beeko [-\]: Do they have cameras if someone cheat?
ExplO [1d\]: should be as barty said
kuikentje [5k\]: score tool says 5.5 point lead for black
Nouli [-\]: AGA rules counting is really hard
Nouli [-\]: :x
mike2096 [5k\]: beeko... if tehy cheat
neojowzer [4k\]: indeed
Hagalaz [4k\]: i think that 400+ observers should be enough to prevent cheating
mike2096 [5k\]: theyed know
Blockdude [3k\]: lol
Blockdude [3k\]: yangxuji
AndrewY [10k\]: 181.5W 187B
Lynx [2d\]: 500+ you mean
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: what round is this?
kalisti [8k?\]: its not hard, they know the number of moves and captures, just do some subtraction
mike2096 [5k\]: i mean they dont even need to count to know score
amakusa [8k\]: 2nd
kurosama [2d\]: second round
Javaness [-\]: how did that white stone get to F18 ?
DeepTuna [2k\]: Counting around 70 points Japanese rules for Eric =P
Advanced [1k\]: one of the most anticipated rounds
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: oh thanks
pemula20K [12k?\]: w 78.5 b 83
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: w: 181.5 b: 187
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: by aga rules
porkdog [7k\]: b + 2.5
ToughNerd [12k\]: Who won
Beanbag [2d\]: a w stone gotted to f18?
Robinsa [5k\]: no way b is ahead by that much?
Yanwangye [-\]: wow
wijii [-\]: gotted
USGO1 [-\]: Black has one the game by 4.5 points.
Beanbag [2d\]: then a b stone gotted to f19
wijii [-\]: gotted
amakusa [8k\]: good game gentlemen
wijii [-\]: ^^
Javaness [-\]: thanks USGO1
mahatma [1k\]: lol he has one the game!
Chris929 [14k\]: great game
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: thank you
Over9k [5k\]: thanks usgo1
theremin [1k\]: thx USGO
Chris929 [14k\]: thanks USGO1
barty [1d\]: good
barty [1d\]: :\]
mahatma [1k\]: gg, thanks usgo
Cassis0 [3d\]: black oned the game
beeko [-\]: GOoood game
Beanbag [2d\]: thancs
Hagios [4k\]: Thank you USGO1
barty [1d\]: thx for players 
chiyochan [5k\]: thank you for great replay
neojowzer [4k\]: yeah mingjiu
GoArena [-\]: tnx usgo
barty [1d\]: nice game
Robinsa [5k\]: Thx
j10poil [9k\]: ty usgo
ToughNerd [12k\]: Amazing
USGO1 [-\]: Thank you everyone for watching.
Tagir [6k?\]: thx
GoArena [-\]: great game
Ukasuhs [2k?\]: when is round 3?
carpenter [7k\]: thx
oernie [15k\]: thanks
Nouli [-\]: thx
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: thank you for showing us
mahatma [1k\]: tomorrow ;P
DeepTuna [2k\]: Gj USGO, now stand up and stretch those legs ;)
toeree [8k\]: thank you for relaying
pelister [10k\]: thx
GoArena [-\]: good job usgo
beeko [-\]: GOOOoooood game
Akaro [?\]: USGO1 THX FOR transmition :)
GoteGote [1d\]: Thanks USGO
beeko [-\]: Hope your eyes dont hurt
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: isn't that cool to read all this Usgo1 ^^
GoArena [-\]: no take bakes: great!
GoArena [-\]: back
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks everyone.  Now there is a need for food and a rest.  Join us in about 6.5 hours for Round 2 of the North American Ing Championship.
kuikentje [5k\]: yes, enjoy your dinner and rest
kuikentje [5k\]: thanks for broadcasting
Dumed [13k\]: what was final score?
BonoVox [3k\]:  black has won 
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